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YouTube's Killer Tier Lists Confuse me as Survivor
I've seen many killer tier lists on YouTube which do not rank the same according to my experience in facing them as survivor. Whilst there are some differences between each YouTuber's tier list, they largely rank most killers in the same bracket.
Spring trap is often ranked as a low A or B tier but to me he is the next best killer after nurse. I have no idea how to face him and he destroys me every time.
Trickster is ranked often in low B or C tier but he gets a 4k in every match I play. I have no idea why he is often ranked so low.
Conversely, whilst Blight is good, I do not struggle against him anywhere near as bad as many other killers. To me he is B tier.
What killers do you feel are under-rated or over-rated based on these killer tier lists?
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Do you play solo queue or SWF? This is a serious question.
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Solo 100% of the time. I have no friends who play DBD.
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It's more or less how consistent they are with getting 4ks and trying to grade every killer if all players played at an equal high level. You'll get very different results if it was for low MMR players. Everyone got their own opinions. Otz seems to have the most reasonable tier list.
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Each youtubers set the own criteria for killer tierlist, so I can't speak about those in general, but I guess many of them set the criteria in very high mmr matches.
Springtrap might be decent but not top tier killer to their perspective as he has limitation that gives rooms for good survivors to go against him. Also, these survivors in this high mmr matches are under assumption of using comms, so it is specially easier for them to counter Springtrap's undetectable status.
For Trickster, he absolutely lacks mobility, so survivors can genrush much more easily than Springtrap.
About the Blight, as most Blight players in pub can't show the full potential, but skilled Blight players can use his rush for both mobility and chase, and it is extremely strong. And also I think pub Blight is pretty strong unless map is Treatment Theatre or something like that.
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This is why your experience is wildly different. While tierlists are often examined in a vaccuum, Otz, Hens, and all the others who do tier lists are in high MMR brackets and consume a immense amount of gameplay to rank these killers... however, they often play with some form of communication with other players. Certain killers (like Freddy, Springtrap, Sadako, Twins, and Singularity) are known as "pubstompers," where their power can be easily dismantled by communication between the players, in a game where communication inside the game is limited.
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Every person has its own experience, knowledge and skill level. Even in fundamentally more competitive genres such as fighting games you'll sometimes encounter unexpected tier list opinions. Also keep in mind that there are 40 killers in the game now and that even (most) content creators don't regularly play all of them. I guarantee you that people putting Trickster in B/C aren't exactly the most seasoned Trickster players (you getting a 4k against casual players doesn't prove that the killer you're using is necessarily top tier either).
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we all have our own preferences, biases and whatnot. I think anti heal Legion is bad, but my friends love to heal so I die to Legion Pin Legions a lot. For Springtrap it's possible you could be zoning out or not reading his tells. these little things affect us differently. I personally die to trappers a lot. some people are too antsy and refuse to stealth, taking free hits for no reason, or some people get too scared by large TR and don't act...things like that.
to answer the original question, I've always rated Legion higher than average; i found their tools to deal with macro play appealing even in peak Dead Hard era. I likes their info better than Doctor. that level of awareness and macro play is what made me such a mean Cenobite.
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Thanks everybody, these are very helpful responses and helps me understand better. I reckon I have a fairly average MMR so I guess I just struggle against certain killers more than the high MMR players and Comms would be useful, but it's unfortunately something I'm not able to do.
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I think tier lists can be misleading because they tend to focus on the best possible performance of the Killer against the best possible group of Survivors. But as you know, that's not what really happens in most trials.
I'll talk about Legion because they're the Killer I have the most knowledge and experience with.
If they're going up against players with less than 100 hours, they're S tier. No question, they will destroy a lobby of newer players very easily.
Up against an average Solo Q or duo team or a casual SWF, they are a solid mid-tier Killer (high C maybe low B).
Up against the best loopers, who know the correct Legion counterplay, can communicate with each other and are bringing strong items / add-ons, Legion can be made the worst Killer in the game. No joke, they can sometimes be worse than Trapper against these teams. High D tier Killer at most (ahead of Trapper and Skull Merchant).
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Reason why Springtrap is usually nowhere near Nurse is the simple fact that you can loop Springtrap with usual looping tactics even a good one as long as you manage to dodge the axe. Against a good Nurse no loop will do any good for you.
I never found Springtrap anyway hard to play against. When he has the axe play like he is Huntress at close range if he does not have the axe just play him like any M1 killer just taking into account that he is slightly faster than normal M1 killer.
Trickster can dominate in certain maps but he is just that much map dependent any high walls and his potential is cut in half even if you would use the ricocheting knives add-on.
Blight is one of those where when you run into one that is really good with him you better bring your A game or you are going to get run over by a truck. The things some of those players can do with him are so odd that I get surprised quite often and I never been good with him myself.
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Then know your place. You are (just like me) cannon fodder; food for power trips.
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That's why it useful to play both sides and see it from both perspectives. Blight definately is nowhere near B tier, pretty sure you will see really strong Blight player and change your opinion on this.
By far most overrated killer is Unknow, no doubt. Seeing him in A tier makes me wanna close video asap.0 -
Here's the thing - Tier lists don't mean anything. 9 times out of 10, they're not made based on overall statistics - they're made based on personal experience.
We can all agree that Nurse is a powerful Killer - but not when I play her, so I'd naturally put her lower on a tier list. That's how these tier lists are typically made. It doesn't matter the actual power of the Killer, or even how they feel from a Survivor's POV - rather they're made based on how good or bad that player is at that Killer.
If we made one based on statistics or from the Survivor's POV, I assure you Tier Lists would look vastly different.
EDIT: To give some examples, if I were to make a Tier List not based on personal preference, but rather my personal stats with them, my Tier List would look like this:
But, if I were to do a Tier List from my POV as a Survivor, the Tier List would look like this:
Notice how different these are? The POV between Killer mains and Survivors are typically different, and it usually comes down to personal preference and experience. However, using actual stats, you can start to see a clearer picture. I don't know if BHVR has made the overall Kill Rate of each Killer public (I doubt it), but if they ever did, I imagine the Tier List would look far different from how most players would rate them.
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I don’t care much for tier lists. For me, there’s Nurse, Blight… and then “the rest.”
Within “the rest,” you can loosely group them into strong, decent, okay, meh, and sorry, but bad.But honestly, that all shifts constantly — depending on the map you get (huge factor), the RNG on that map, the team you’re up against, and what they bring to the table.
So yup, you can make tier lists, and the killers that are consistently strong or work well on most maps will always end up near the top……but in the end, that’s just a rough “what can you main and still have a good time” list — not a stable, absolute truth. Even weaker killers can suddenly shoot way up if they happen to get a map that plays to all their strengths.
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You should only inspire with tier list for me otz is closest with what I see all killers in terms of power.
Spring trap is often ranked as a low A or B tier but to me he is the next best killer after nurse. I have no idea how to face him and he destroys me every time.He is just normal mediocre killer it will shock you but he is he is just huntress with more antiloop axe and one shot after which he becomes m1 killer for 7 seconds after which he can reclaim his axe or continue to be m1 killer. His counterplay is simular to huntress only difference is you dont wanna be clouse to him on low wall loops where he can hit you easily compeare with huntress.
Trickster is ranked often in low B or C tier but he gets a 4k in every match I play. I have no idea why he is often ranked so low.He can be nightmare if you go against good trickster main on map like midwitch where arent many high wall loops so he can get you fast but he lacks mobility and is slow on higher wall loops so in my opinio he is like b-tier or lower b-tier.
Conversely, whilst Blight is good, I do not struggle against him anywhere near as bad as many other killers. To me he is B tier.This is most crazy thing you wrote tbh I think you are newer player because if blight is weaker in your eyes than springtrap or trickster than you dont play against more seasoned players with higher skill, blight is truly second strogest killer in the game and only killer we have who was clouse to him and almost got him from second spot was og ghoul, first released version of ghoul the busted one, curent one isnt close to blights leathality and power utility.
What killers do you feel are under-rated or over-rated based on these killer tier lists?Bubba is overrated as hell some players think he is easy to get value with his saw on loops but you need beast marks to pull that or you will miss survivor and get palett because you were one meter shorter without this addon, widowns are his bane and fore him to be m1 killer even tl wall he can still try to pull mindgame with saw but again beast marks and lot of skill are needed. Normaly he is just palett eting simulator and then facecamping when gates are powered and survivors like that from him but god forbid some other killer did this.
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