Do you think Conviction is going to get nerfed (Otz video warning!!!)?

If you mean you the fact that you cant use dstrike in endgame while gates are powered that is good thing ds can be free escape you have your teammates and 10 seconds of endurence and speed and on top of that you think it would be ok to have one minute of free escape from killers shoulder because you have one perk thats like claiming the buffed eruption was ok even it made survivor powerless on gen and made 40 seconds of regression in time with 20 seconds of icapacitated effect thats on survivor thats argument on the same level.

okay I agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s punishing people not trying to do that because how low the timer is. It’s so low I can see it being used for just straight up griefing into heavily advantageous. Killers shouldn’t have to run lightborn bc swf is going to go nuts with this; they always do.

So what is the killer supposed to do if the survivor with Conviction purposely goes down underneath a pallet while another survivor is nearby, or goes down while another survivor with a flashlight is nearby?

I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, just that it's more nuanced than what you're making it out to be.

Perks that introduce lose/lose situations are pretty badly designed, imo.

Slightly bumping up the amount of recovery needed, or making it a flat amount of time spent recovering, would make this perk significantly more balanced. And if it's still problematic after one of those nerfs, then they should consider making it only activate upon healing other survivors.

so true otz only plays killers he doesn't care about survivors and only want their nerfs, I hope they won't listen to him that much

100% agree with you hun, hens (he plays a lot surv too I guess) and spookz are cool

I feel like I'm in a time loop.

Linghtborn wont help you much when you go under palett and dont forget there are like one but mostly two survivors doing gens and best and most popular regression perks need you to get hooks not downs which makes weaker killers weaker against this situation because they cant afford that many chases as other stronger killers or those with strong antiloop.

Quite simple minded answers there are over 200 perks in this game and some perks counter some but you dont know what will have other side against you only if you are cheting. This type of aswers are what causes unbalance in dbd just if one thing is broken and your answer is just play nurse/blight they can take it wont solve problem just creates others and many survivors (bigger part of player base) wants to play against more killers not the same meta stuff over and over again they dont want just blight,ghoul,nurse,wesker they want to go against killers like bubba, ghostface,chucky, demogorgan too but if you are that kind that just loves blight as one and only then you dont need to answer this.

Tunneling is just strategy its bad only if killer just tunnels but it can be logical if he is in situation like on 1 gen left and he was spreading hooks but now he knows that he needs that one kill to have some chance to get another kill. Bad thing is if killer just hard tunnels on 5 gens.

that requires 3 perks to even work if not 4.

And it still ends in a down regardless. That's the part I don't get at all after all the back and forth. The perk has a price tag on it.

This feels like people who misunderstand how StB works.

You realize that the survivor is broken and is automatically downed again after 30 seconds, right? That's just how the perk works.

I think people are hyper fixated by the quick pickup and completely ignoring the "free down" part of the perk here. Which, really only comes in clutch in the end game when the door is already open.

If you're stretching for analogies: It'd be like if pain res took at least 3 perk slots to run, and then the gen gained back all of its lost progress after 30 seconds and stopped regressing. That sounds pretty bad, or at least very scenario-specific, for the level of investment TBH.

That's the part that always goes neglected—the setup. Without the right setup, the perk only extends a chase MAX 30 seconds or allows a team to recover from a 4-man slug. Anything else boils down to meme things like potentially preventing an unhook or stunning the Killer. For an escape, it requires the trial to have effectively ended and the gates to be open like you said. That's not even getting into balancing that has made the endgame favor Killer by default.

This perk, even with this build, demands such a specific scenario for escape that the Survivor should get value out of it. It doesn't promise anything at all, let alone an escape, but it does give hope. And that hope is consistently what is being optimized out of the game.

Less than one month, just for cash grab before making all of the new stuff bad

Seeing a lot of people talking about the stacking stuff and I agree that was already a thing. But I feel thats not the most busted and uncounterable part about it. The most uncounterable is the same we had with power struggle but with 1 less perk. You run conviction and soul guard and have 1 teammate nearby. Doesnt even need to be a friend just someone that forces the killer to not be able to pick up instantly because of the chance of a pallet save. The killer has 2 choices since you are on the pallet. Pick up and probably get guaranteed stunned and you get away. Or try to chase the survivor away, you get yourself up with conviction and soul guard and just run off. There's no real right answer for the killer here. They kinda lose lose. You can stack 4 get up stuff and yeah obviously thats gonna be strong. But this requires no investment really. Just a teammate and maybe soul guard. But if the killer moves away you can easily get up and drop the pallet without even needing Soul guard. So even that is not a necessity.

Despite unbreakable and ds being meta, they directly exist how they supposed to - counterplay of slugging and tunnelling. And after some nerfs this perks are good and balanced around pub games. While conviction can bring broken events.

This is my entire point: What, exactly are these broken events you talk about?

So far, you've only objected to the idea that "but survivors can stand back up and can't be slugged", which is why I push back and say that unbreakable did/does that. In order for conviction to be a problem, then, you need to have a situation where picking yourself up in 8 seconds and then having to go back down again 30 seconds later is substantially more valuable than just getting back up 24 seconds later (with unbreakable). And you have yet to show that.

With a lurking flashlight, you get at least 24 seconds because the killer is already chasing someone else. The extra time doesn't come into play.

On otz video it was a moment when killer just broke a pallete and person already up. Just stop claiming it’s hard to accomplish. Finish healing (not healing for a whole health state even) isn’t that hard, nothing hard about abusing this perk, and people here provide nerf that will counter only specific scenario when killer can’t pick up because he stuck in animation.

Never once have I said this is hard to accomplish, or that it takes skill. It takes an insane amount of investment by the survivor. In fact, it takes basically an entire 4 perk loadout to do that once. And, as I've said before, the tradeoff is that you don't get any anti-tunnel protection (since you aren't guaranteed to heal), you don't get any gen rush ability (so if you aren't chased/chosen by the killer this doesn't do anything), you don't have any chase perks.

The survivor is on the other side of a thrown pallet and the killer has a few seconds extra chase in one very specific case. This is, effectively, a 4 perk version of Smash Hit and you're losing your mind over it.

Is it that hard make conviction takes 15-20 sec instead of 8 so it won’t punish killers when they obviously didn’t slug???

You're ignoring the gigantic drawbacks on this perk. Why would anyone ever use a perk that has an activation requirement, and automatically downs you 30 seconds after using it (which is basically unavoidable), to save 4 or 6 extra seconds over unbreakable by itself?

This would literally make Conviction into "Unbreakable with extra steps" and it would be yet another dead on arrival perk.

or u simply don’t understand in what cases it’s absolutely game balance breaking

Well, so far every example you've given has been exactly the same with unbreakable, or with a chase perk instead of conviction. In fact, you could replace the stack of all 4 perks that are pretty much required for Conviction to work like this with exactly one of Unbreakable, Sprint Burst, Lithe, Head On, or Smash Hit, and the result is not only much more consistent, it's an easier build to deal with situations where Conviction simply isn't going to work out (like, for example, the killer hard tunneling one survivor out and you never get to heal to activate it).

Someone already posted a video on this forum when person picked himself up for free and escaped, while killer was stuck in oni’s animation and basically wasn’t able to do anything.

Good, you saw that. That was the extremely niche situation I was referring to. Here's everything that needed to happen for that to be possible. (If any of these had gone differently, it wouldn't have worked for the survivor):

• Every perk of the 4 they brought was necessary for that outcome:
• Conviction for a fast pickup (there was no one else around, or even in the map)
• Unbreakable (For the even faster 5s pickup)
• Tenacity (otherwise the killer could simply have picked them up at their feet)
• Soul Guard (activated when the survivor stood up, saved them from going back down again)
• The killer (Oni) was at the very end of their power meter. If they had had even just a bit more in their bar, they could have walked forward and picked up the survivor still in their power. (they walk faster than tenacity, and pickup drops them out. He would've had to manually cancelled his power - an error - if it didn't actually run out on its own).
• Be in the end game (because in any other situation, the survivor downs themselves for free in 30 seconds, the killer can do literally anything else in that time)
• Have the exit doors 99'd or fully opened. (opening a door wouldn't been a grab/hit and they would've died)
• Know exactly where the door/hatch is.
• Be lucky enough that their chase ends close enough to the door to actually get out (again, with enough time to open it if it isn't already open).

So, again, if any one of those had gone wrong, that video wouldn't have worked. And it took a survivor getting lucky enough to manage it that people are losing their minds over it. I'm also going to reiterate that the killer being Oni, and them running out of power during the down here was a matter of sheer luck. The survivor would've been picked up if the "ending power" animation hadn't been forced to play out. So if it was nay other killer, or the Oni had just a bit more charge, the survivor would've been picked up , even with everything else going for them in that scenario.

Even in your example, it takes more than the 2.7s blade wipe animation to make this work. And, just to be clear, it takes 5.6 seconds with Unbreakable and Conviction together. They have to somehow manage to force a second action after the blade wipe (pallet break, vault, or ending power) or it won't work at all.

There isnt much you can do as killer against this palett is 50/50 and you have no idea if sprintburst or background player is in the game which this makes 99% to get save or being under window vault directly there are 3 sides killer can face and all are acassable to survivor with flashlight only few killers can deal with this the strongest ones can ignore this and slug or power through this, pyramidhead can cage, trapper on palett can use trap but its still not safe for him or knight can use guard but they will be sow so after save survivor can still end up in same spot somewhere else. Look at buckle up+for the people now you need 3 perks for this to work I think these two I mentioned plus made for this and its way more balanced than this crap because saving survivor needs 3 perks and being healty to pull this of here you need two and some time so another teammate and you can do it over and over again in curent state.

People are not realizing to get literally any use out of this perk you need to completely build around it. As it waste a bunch of survivors time. Even if the chase ends with a escape some one needs to revive that survivor which takes longer then a unhook.. plus they are gonna heal which is even more time. Currently to really test the build I'm running no mither conviction tenacity and soul guard some might swap no mither for unbreakable. But multiple team makes run to a dying survivor pulling them off gens despite me having no mither. And 95% of the games the killer just picks you up and hooks you. Removing any options to get use of the build. The problem is that killer can't adapt love slugging because they want the cake and to eat it to. Not to mention a single perk " tenacity" by its self is more then enough to escape a killers sight when they run off to kick a gen or chase a near by person yet that perk is fine

it's almost like they are friends and hens was kinda forced to do those things, because by the end otz just says bye hens thanks and they barely did anything usefull for the video.

Yeah the perk can get you up, but you need tenacy, boon heal , soulguard + the perk.

Yeah obviously if you are in a pallet stun situation and the killer cant pick you up you have time to get up, but it still requires healing someone else or yourself. But i asume "yourself" isn't intented here.