Why so toxic?

that was indeed a fun match 😅

Most toxic killers are just frustrated from previous matches against toxic teams so they beat their anger and frustration on others and think they will behave to them like previous teams. I had some sabbo or flashlight annoying squads which were normal and friendly in chatt and then worst are sore loosers swfs they are worst toxic creatures in this game.

Unfortunately this will never change, sure if they are so toxic they break rules then you can try reporting but this wont ever solve this problem.

The reality is, you really need to come up with your own ways to deal with it and not let it get to you, or just stop playing the game entirely. There will always be 'those' kinds of people who get joy out of trying to make other people miserable.

There is way higher chance that survivor will be toxic for no valid reason only because he didnt slept well so you are to be blamed for this and its not because there are more survivors than killers, its always survivor not killer, if you get killer who will beging behaving toxic in chatt its 99% because he got toxic squad game before and now he is frustrated so he is being toxi to you.

I believe many people do it, personaly when I want to play some normal bubba and I will get tryharding swf genrushing and then calling me babby and bad with full meta and coms ofcourse after few games like this in one evening I will say srew it and pick lich,ghoul or someone who is stronger and can deal with this type of teams with more chill than bubba because I play this game to have normal match not stress more than in work thats it.

The toxicity comes from being angry, in the moment. It happens to everyone, designated for any role. It's just human nature. The best thing to do is not let it bother you; just accept that toxic comments are coming from a moment of irrational rage. I'm sure the majority of people who, act this way (we've all been there), feel some remorse or regret after letting out their anger.

Playing a video game is not toxic. If you don't like how the player is playing, your problem should be with the developers for allowing the player to play that way, not at the player.

No one is angel but just pure toxic behavior comes from survivor more often than from killer, when killer is toxic there is more logical reason why he is toxic more than when survivor is toxic.

There is nothing wrong with utilitizng a strategy that exists in the game.

So let me tell you a story (alternatively you can skip the next 3 paragraphs but I think you're missing out).

There was a game a couple weeks ago, Clown at Coldwind (the one with the slaughter house specifically). Team included me, a Nancy, a feng, and a leon running a memeish build (weaving spiders). Surprisingly no one quit at the first minute (leon set off spiders within the minute probably started near basement) until feng heard the terror radius (or the bottle breaking) and noped out via DC. The match went semi normal till Leon was caught being a hero (for reference, me and leon both had to go down the basement to rescue Nancy before she hit second due to him camping and the bot not giving him a reason to not camp. Leon snuck past when I went down to try for Nancy and got us both). All the match before this shouldn't be considered toxic by most. It's what follows.

Clown got bored of camping and started looking for people, found Nancy again and chase they go. As soon as the bot unhooked leon, clown goes straight back. Leon soon dies tunneled after his hooks with the clown hitting him on hook each time (neither me nor Nancy got that treatment). Sometimes after leon dies clown catches Nancy, but the oddest thing happens. She doesn't get hooked. Instead she's slugged as the clown guards her (I checked and the terror radius never left the slugged area for more than 4 seconds) and can't blame the bot on that one as it flipped between gens and trying to save with primary on gens (go bot). It's not even slugging for the 4k as both me and the bot are still standing. He just watches her bleed in the corner she crawled to, and I mean that she literally crawled from where she went down into a corner.

So now we're at me and the bot, or rather the bot as the clown pointedly ignored said bot for a pretty long time, as in a gen popped long, before he slugs for the 4k. Me being petty with a full healing build, I get the bot up and the game goes till I'm backed against the wall, found, and chased. Eventually I hop in a locker and I can only call petty (yes pot calling kettle) as he thinks I got head on and is doing his damnedest to avoid it while I sit there chuckling dark as the bot works. It isn't till another gen pops that the clown finally said screw it, grabs me, and drops me to get the bot. Obviously he gets the bot and I've crawled a mile. The match ended with me getting lucky with hatch spawning in my face. Or the entity giving a middle finger to the clown.

If you bothered to read that story, it's shows how someone can play normal and play what some would call "toxic" and even do both within the same trial. Strategies can be used to be "toxic" just like words (sometimes actions speak louder than words after all). Just being in the game doesn't inherently mean it's not "toxic" especially when it's subjective.

Should i get mad at survivors for doing gens and not cleansing dull totems?

You can do as you will. People will claim it can't be toxic just like you claim that these strategies can't be toxic. You can play as is allowed, but you don't have any authority to say that it isn't toxic to someone. Especially when a player is obviously trying to make others miserable even when using valid strategies.

This game is made for Tribalism

It's an unfortunate reality of many video games. Many people feel the need to gloat or degrade others and while very sad there isn't always something you can do. If someone teabags just ignore it or use it to your advantage. If you get a rude post game message, delete it and focus on the players who don't act like that. Honestly it doesn't surprise me that a game where one of the main goals is to hang people on meat hooks tends to bring out some of the worst type of people.

The problem here is that you're using "toxicity" as meaning abusive behavior. Toxicity in gaming doesn't have a rigid definition, but generally describes a person who causes negativity through their words and actions.

Choosing to play a game in a way that is known to make that game miserable for the other players would in fact be toxic behavior. It being allowed is irrelevant.

You don't know what that player was thinking.

Welp, what info can we all gleam off of Leon, who he wanted immediatly while smacking him on the hook a few times for good measure? What can we infer from the Nancy, who the Clown watched crawl and bleed out? What can we guess from the clown pointedly ignoring the bot and hunting the map, possibly for yours truely? You really believe they we're giving us a chance to escape? Think it was the best way to secure a win leaving people to do gens? Or maybe the simplest answer fits best? Occam's razor is a favorite for a reason.

The point is though, you immediately went to the "well he tunneled" argument or "well he slugged and didn't pick up what a loser".

You missed the point completely or are ignoring it. The point is you CAN be toxic while playing the game, especially when that game gives you as much freedom as DBD does. You say its the developer's fault, but whos choosing to do these actions? Look above, was it the best tactic for winning to watch Nancy as a slug? Leon was dead at the time, coulda hooked to use his perks or something, coulda went hunting for one of the other 2 to leave Nancy as an anchor one of us woulda needed to get. We got a free gen+ outta it instead. Slugging is a valid strategy, that can be used in ways like this to make others miserable and deemed "toxic".

DBD doesn't "know" about tunneling, it doesn't "know" anything. All it knows is, did i win the game, or did i lose?

DbD is also made of real people with real thoughts, emotions, etc. Those people can know how they lost, what that feeling is, was the loss fun or boring, etc. Dbd itself isn't toxic, its what people often do in it, including using strategies in it to make others miserable, which is usually deemed "toxic" (by the entity lets see how many times i can hammer this)

Ironically, such a complaint you have should again be lodged at the devs.

Been here before, aint the devs fault. Again, dbd has alot of freedom, people being ****s with the freedom is on the players, which is why we are often vocal about our dislike of the people.

I'd guess you are the type of person who would hate playing say MTG, and be mad because "the opponent countered my spell" or "they removed my creature" when those things are literally designed specifically to do that very thing.

Funny thing is the three of us love playing mtg. Rakdos and Mardu specifically. Thing is, you can still be "toxic" while using valid things (ya know, the point of our whole argument). Possibly literally with Phyrexia.

Well smacking the player could easily be a form of trying to rile the player up to cause them to make mistakes. Like, idk, survivors teabagging a killer when they drop a pallet? Or some other thing? As for the other stuff, see my above post. Toxicity in gaming has a hard definition where behavior in game is really only applicable as it relates to griefing. And griefing in DBD has hard defined rules clearly stated on their support site, as it is a reportable category in the report system. And everything you stated here is actually CLEARLY defined as "NOT REPORTABLE" in another article. Thus, not griefing.

Have you considered that you see more toxic behaviour from survivors because you literally have to encounter four times as many survivors compared to killers? Not because survivors are inherently more toxic, but because you literally have to encounter VASTLY more survivor players than killers through normal gameplay?

My entire point is that you should be mad at the devs, not at the players for using these strategies. The game does not understand that "tunneling is toxic" because it lets you do it.

Let me put it this way for you.

Lets say i'm a new player, never played the game before. I bought the game because it looks cool, and i queue up as killer. I start playing the game a bit, learning how it works having a good time, but i'm losing a lot of games. So i start focusing on trying to get better. Trying to understand how i should be playing to win more games.

Then, i think to myself, wait, if survivors only have 3 hook states, and when someone gets unhooked they are injured, that means that they are weaker and they should be an easier target. Plus, if i get them out of the game sooner then maybe i'll be able to win games more because i can quickly turn the game into a 1v3 instead of a 1v4. Let me try that.

So, i play another game. This time i try "tunneling" although, i don't even know the name of this thing, its just a stategy that i thought of that naturally emerges from the obvious things the game is presenting. But then i come across a problem, i hit the survivor who gets unhooked, but they get this weird status effect i have never seen before. So i think to myself "hmm this isn't going to work, it looks like they are protected when they are off the hook".

So maybe next game i try playing survivor, to try and understand what it is that is going on, and maybe learn some strategies that i can employ by playing the other side of it. Then it happens, i get hooked, and i see that endurance icon. That's when i see that the protection doesn't last very long, just 10 seconds. So now i think to myself, maybe i can wait out that protection, not hit the survivor, and then hit them when the 10 seconds are up. That should work.

So i queue up another game as killer, and i give it a try. I hook a survivor, wait for them to get unhooked, then count to 10 while chasing them. After 10 seconds, i swing at them, and lo and behold, they are downed! Its working! So i pick them up, put them back on the hook, and then do it again. And it works! They are out of the game, and that was super quick, it only took about a minute or 2. And now the game is a 1v3. From here, i have a much easier time at it and start winning my games more often.

What has just happened here? Did i know i was playing "toxic"? Did i do anything the game didn't let me do? No, i didn't do any of that, i just learned what the game was giving me in terms of information, and employed a strategy that, quite frankly, makes a lot of sense in the context of the game. And, what was the result of that? I won MORE games. The game itself actually encouraged and reinforced this behavior and strategy, because it resulted in me winning more games. So i got the positive reinforcement that this was working and it was the right play to make.

And, whose to say this player is wrong? Again, the game didn't do anything to tell me this was "wrong" if anything it did the opposite, it actively encouraged me that this was the correct way to play the game, by getting me more wins than before.

This player in this scenario is not being toxic, they are simply learning the game with what little tools the game has given you to learn the game.

Thus, my ultimate point again, is that your ire should not be directed at players who employ a strategy that game lets them, and actively rewards them and encourages them to do. You should be directing that anger at the devs who allow such a strategy to flourish.

This is not to say that i think these things are good for the game, i actually don't. I think that tunneling and camping should be completely removed from the game as an impossibility, the game should not encourage me for doing those things. But, i don't direct my anger at players who use it, i direct it to the devs for making horrible decisions and leaving these problems in the game for a literal decade.

At this point, given how long its been in the game, you need to start asking yourself who is to blame here. If it is a strategy that has existed since the inception of the game for nearly a decade, whose fault is it that this strategy exists?

Well I found more survivors to just be toxic for no reason then killers and like bigger half of them were swf, friends plaing togeather trying some strategies like sabbo or flashlight saving or just casualy playing and being super toxic in chatt for no valid reason (they werent sluged,tunneled,bodyblocked or offended in any way just because they could).

Look, more hoops. You realize that people have claimed t-bagging is toxic right? In fact there's been arguments for letting the killer abandon once the exit gates are powered and one such argument for is to avoid the t-bagging survivors in the door. Why would that be again? Your still also purposely ignoring the point here. Well say it again for your convenience. You can use a valid strategy and still be toxic. They are NOT mutually exclusive even with the definition you provided. No matter how much you want to deny it. That's the point we're trying to get through.

Why would we be mad at the devs for other people's choices? What did the devs do? They gave players the freedom of choice. It maybe a double edged sword, but we're actually grateful we're not railroaded into playing a specific way. Others use this freedom to be awful to other players. Not the devs. We can be angry at the devs when they break something in the code, make changes we disagree with, but letting players play? No. That's on the players.

You keep saying the game doesn't know. It's the game doesn't care. The game is a bunch of code, why would it care about anything toxic even if it knows what it is? "This strategy may make players miserable but you increase your chances to win many times over". Who both cares and knows? The players, who it affects. Hell your definition relates to the players and the game's community more than the game itself. Player behavior and all that.

Your story is kinda funny. So first off you can be unintentionally toxic. It may not be malicious toxicity, but if the rest of it fits your definition, guess what. The second is that's how one person may learn about "winning" (hey look, competitive pressure) just the same another may learn by using outside the box thinking. Another might go "hey these perks look amazing" buy them and jump from there. We're also ignoring the obvious thing of what happens when the survivors call you out on it? What happens when that happens to you as a new player over and over again? You may get over it, may not think it's toxic, but wanna say that for everyone?

We already said why we're not blaming the devs for something they didn't do. No matter how many times we're asked, by you, player number 356432, Santa claws, whomever, the three of us always put the blame on who did it. Surprisingly it seems like it always is the players.

Let's put it this way, someone hits you with a baseball bat, do you blame the guy who hit you, the company that made the bat, or the baseball bat itself. Don't know about you, but we'd blame the guy with the bat.

"yes comrade killer your social credit it too low now you will be sentenced to 50 matches of comp swf"