This game is becoming so survivor sided

To be fair, there's also a mention of a new status effect that gives the same effect as Distortion, Shadow Step, OTR, etc, as well as specifically mentioning that a bunch of the survivor perk updates will be to add that keyword to them. Those perks will still be used to counter this, since there's no mention that the mini-Chili is a universal aura (the best example I have is Springtrap when getting revealed by a camera - even in Undetectable he is visible to all survivors). However, the difference between OTR, lockers, and unhook Elusive or stuff like Shadow Step or Distortion (or any of the perks that have part of Elusive, like Deception or Come and Get Me!) have specific requirements to activate it.

The perks I'm anticipating changes on, if not this patch then next, are more than likely:

• OTR, to just outright list that it increases your base Elusive to 80 seconds, since that's what OTR does
• Come and Get Me! will likely get a extension on the unhooked's Elusive status when this perk is used, from the likely 10 seconds to 15 or 20 to synergize with Babysitter/BT, and give this perk additional use cases. If Come and Get Me! does not get this buff, then Babysitter absolutely will.
• Plot Twist will get this eventually, but only after a Deerstalker rework, as Elusive should logically work for survivors seeing each other's aura. This fixes Plot Twist's biggest issue, which is other survivors seeing you go down and rushing to get you when you're Plot Twisting.
• ######### it. Low Profile will get Elusive for 90 seconds. The perk is useless now, and will still be useless after this change.
• Shadow Step will just switch to giving Elusive while in the boon zone and 3 seconds after leaving, like Dark Theory's haste.
• Distortion will give immediate Elusive when your aura is attempted to be read, for 12 seconds.
• I'm feeling ballsy enough to also say that Deception, Parental Guidance, and Self-Preservation will also get it, but Lucky Break, Lucky Star, and Toughen Up will not get it.

Keep in mind, its not necessarily "early". An "anti-tunnel" mechanic can kick in at 1 gen left, even if hooks were spread evenly if that 9th hook was on the wrong survivor. I feel like conspicuous actions should at least remove this. If someone is working on a gen, they should be free game to chase.

so far as I can tell, you can still do that.

You just have consequences for forcing the tunnel out.

We'll have to see how it plays in the

Im going to assume it will be a procedural increase of haste and maybe capping it to what PWYF caps at?

Or even if its a base 5% or 10% thats still great until u get to the location BBQ just marked after the hook.

And pop i think the value will probably remain same as current one until changes come through after 2 to 4 weeks of PTB and testing.

Generally speaking 15% - 20% of pop is good enough for me if i play fair and correct and get unique hooks.

BBW will be the biggest value here for all players who play killers and now technically speaking anyone who posts here on forums saying that they cant find the survivors is either playing againts cordinated teams, or is just generally playing poorly (no offense to anyone).

It is a massive in-direct buff if you look at these changes from every other angle. They will likely become more noticeable to you when you realize how important for a killer to have any sort of gen regression and how massive it is for survivors when gens can no longer get regressed against a large list of killers, particularly M1 ones. All that will become possible because developers try to dictate how killers should be playing their game.

If their intention was to protect people from being tunneled by any means, they could had granted the recently unhooked survivor full immunity for 60 seconds unless they do any conspicuous action. There, a rather simple and sensible solution where killer would now have to waste 120 seconds of their time just to tunnel a single guy out without any need to juggle around survivors and be punished for hooking someone twice or getting any early kills for whatever reason. Instead, devs introduced this entire nonsense.

Turn those haste numbers way lower, buddy. 15% is just about what Clown gets with one bottle, and he's currently oppressive due to how easy it is for him to hit that haste. I would say at most 5% haste, to prevent speed demons like Clown, Springtrap, and (HOPEFULLY) the new Michael from getting too oppressive.

I think you can probably vouch for me and so can

@Pulsar Related to my myers post from few weeks ago where i complained higher mmr lobbies are not that playable because of how i cant spread hooks well no reward and i have to run meta perks.

Yet here we are finally BHVR doing something allowing killers to not rune pop, bbq, or PWYF even.

Generally speaking im really happy that this is coming i can finally feel happy to run grim embrace in my build.

The post i posted related to myers at 78%+ killrate where its not viable because cordinated teams and by the time i find them they finished gens and such.

Okay, so, first of all, completely different scenario to the one you discussed first. Gen regression not working isn't a buff to lasting in chase or hiding, not even indirectly. The repair speed bonus could be argued to be an indirect buff here, but it wouldn't be helpful or constructive to take that lens.

Second, those things only come into play if you tunnel someone out, which means there are two broad things to say about it.

1: You still have someone dead, so. You're not exactly necessarily doomed to lose even in the worst case scenario.
2: You have complete control and agency over not being in this scenario to begin with. Sure, I'll buy that cheeky 4-man groups might try and force the issue, but they can't actually force you to hook someone if you choose not to.

Third, I mean, the developers do get to dictate how people play their game. A good developer will roll with the playerbase to a certain degree, but it's completely within their mandate to step in and say "this one specific thing is not legitimate" before doing something about it.

Just explain to him that BHVR will probably prevent that the survivor on 1st hook and them being left to die or reach 2nd or fully die wont trigger this.

Same goes for if lets say survivor A & B are 1st hook and u hook either and they die u wont be punished because they dont simply save them on time.

Anything survivor mistake related wont influence or trigger gen speed repair to be faster etc

Yeah I feel happy about this as both killer and survivor. I play fair as both, so it's a win for both. I like my matches to be long and close, not painfully one-sided. If anything, my favoring of stealth and gen-jockeying as survivor might be hurt a little, but it's worth it if the killer can't fastball me back to the lobby with a 6k score. It's also going to help killers who don't run aura perks avoid that one player who's great at chase and tries to take them on the whole match. They can find the others (me lol) now.

And yeah, this might actually shake up the killer meta, which is stale as all hell. Now I just want the survivor meta shaken.

I still think your wild for complaining about that kill rate though lol

Thats only loophole but easy thing is to down them, it wastes 90 seconds, allows u to just play normally.

It practically lets u have a temp 3v1 for 90 seconds.

But my guess is they will find a way to fix this by allowing to hook them once 90 seconds pass by.

Without any penalties

They can also make it that if u injure them, they get downed 90s pass by they get back up, if u find them again u can hook without penalty.

But thats generally just like extreme situation, they might add that though since people seem to be complaining

Im 90% sure that it will be added lol they wont allow any loopholes like that slip through, like look at youtube content there are streamers who said there are some changes that overlap and dont make sense.

Either way for now when it gets added down them, gives u 3v1 for 90s, in 90s remember the survivors can do a lot if there is just 3

Why is everyone acting like it takes 90 seconds to find and hook a survivor? This is what's confusing me the most about all of this. Walk to a generator, use any of your killer's many ways to gain information or cross the map quickly, use a aura reading perk, vaguely remember where the mini-Chili showed a survivor and search there if it really was not all that long ago. Survivors stopped playing for stealth ages ago, you will find one.

edit: sorry, its actually more than 90 seconds, as you have to hook the original survivor, not get immediately farmed (in which you do find another survivor to hook), wait for the unhook, run into the original survivor, slug them, and then the 90 second timer starts

That doesn't change that the gens are secondary.

You can run an end game build, like blood warden, as an example, and kill everyone after the gens are complete.

Just like you can still escape if all the pallets on the map have been consumed. They're a resource to allow you to complete your primary objective.

Spreading pressure is one of the best slowdowns in the game. And yet, since tunneling is far simpler and takes far less game sense and skill, most people take the easy route and tunnel relentlessly and don't bother to learn anything else.

In fact, there are many who not only won't bother to learn anything else, they scream at the devs whenever their "one trick" of tunneling the first survivor they see doesn't automatically win them the match.

Pretty sure thats on the survivor issue and cause, if u hook them as in 1st hook state they will make it also a thing where u wont get a penalty if they somehow decide to sacrifice a random which they probably wont it loses them a game in 3v1.

That said its gonna be polished before public release and many creators pointed it out

Devs should not dictate how players can or should play their game. There are buffs and nerfs and then there are forced new rules which drastically change the way one side can play the game.

The problem with their suggestion is as I mentioned before - it does not take a number of completed gens into consideration. Their proposed solution will punish killers no matter what they chose what to do and it won't matter if this does happen at 5 gens where most killers could really afford spreading hooks or at 1 gen where killer needs a survivor out in order to continue playing the game. Losing ability to defend gens by regressing them is far more impactful when it happens at 1 gen left than 5.

The entire ''premise'' requires a different solution. They want less experienced players have more opportunity to stay in the game, it's understandable. There are plenty of other ways to do that, yet what devs propose is to punish killer specifically if a weaker survivor is eliminated too early from the game without really considering plenty of other situations where this could even happen.

Btw, just so you know, their ''solution'' to anti-hook camping still doesn't work because it takes very little to stay at sufficient distance from the hooked survivor and it takes another survivor to circle around to completely deactivate the entire mechanic. The easiest and far more effective solution would be to teleport the hooked survivor to another hook somewhere else, instead they introduced this half-measure mechanic that does not work. Same thing is being done with anti-tunneling.

I also did just edit the original comment to illustrate that it would logically be more than 90 seconds in average play, and how that flow would sort of look.

Really, all I feel like the changes to unhooks are actually anti-farm hooking changes, as its become considerably more common to immediately go rushing that unhook before the killer leaves the area. Now, in order to not get sucked into the positive feedback loop of "unhook in face, get stabbed and hooked so he has more pressure," you do have to wait a little bit. If only they make base kit Reassurance for when people are chasing around the hook to dis-incentivize proxy camping next.

I'm an average survivor myself and I can only give one advice to your friend which I follow myself - play and practice more. It would had been far better environment for beginners if devs introduced Bot Killers that are present in 2v8 for custom match with variable difficulty settings. Right now beginners are simply thrown to the pit and are forced to learn or drop the game entirely.

But also, how can she improve if a killer identifies her as the weakest link and tunnels her out with minimal gameplay? The longer the weaker players can stay in the match, the more time they have to improve at skill checks, learn maps, understand gen and totem placements, try to identify and counter killer perks, etc.

Great post mate.

Now you can switch back to your main account.

We will see i feel like next on the list is maybe baseline corrupt since its been popular request by many.

Maybe not same effect but something that dictates gen repair speed for survivors in start.

You sadly expect too much. Especially in a game where eliminating your opponent asap is pretty much the main goal for one side.