what is the counter supposed to be to deadzone trolling with the slug change?

There is nowhere in the dev notes where it says its infinite after being achieved, so I'm not too sure you're correct on this. I do see the implied wording of the 90 seconds being possibly over multiple sluggings, but it may just be a poor wording issue. We'll come back to this discussion on Tuesday.

Not sure if I misread this, but to me it looks like the 90 second timer only needs to fill once for the whole match, and the rest of the time the only limitation is the time it takes to pick yourself up. Which can be sped up in multiple ways to allow even more self pickups regardless of the bleed out timer putting an overall potential cap.

Edit: damn, looks like I was too slow to put that all together D:

Honestly I have to keep my thoughts to myself on the matter, because it really feels like another case of taking the easy route vs the proper one, and its going to cause a lot of problems. I only hope they at least did their diligence with how this change affects every related perk/item/addon/mechanic (including the ones being changed specifically for this,) because if people start doing stuff like using plot twist to safely activate their timer while waiting out corrupt intervention or allowing soul guard to apply to it or flip flop recovery speed builds to create lose/lose scenarios or other obvious oversights, I might finally give up on the game.

Why? Are you afraid that survivors are going to put themselves in time out for free?

This feels like when plot twist came out and people were terrified that "plot twist + no mither" hard counters corrupt, and yet, after the first couple days where people tried it for memes or content, they realized doing that sucked and it was never seen again.

Deadzone trolling? I thought survivors were too busy genrushing

Unbreakable and exponential make it way shorter though, meaning equiping either of these perks makes it way easier for suvivors to just pick themselves up endlessly. Add Soul guard to that and now they also get endurance when they pick themselves up. There's also conviction which will be even stronger now since you can move and recover meaning you'll reach the needed 25% recovery faster then you can just stand up go to a boon exponential to pick yourself up or just go to a safe area and then wait to pick yourself up.

The most important thing I think people aren't thinkign about is how the anti tunner changes encourage slugging even more. If there's two survivors you hooked twice you are now basically in a lose lsoe situation. These two survivors can now just play really stupidly and body bloc. If they get slugged they can just pick themselves up since the killer won't be able to hook them because of the anti tunnel, and if the killer hooks this person they get punished because of the anti tunnel.

I'm not saying these changes will ruin the game, but I completely understand people being worried because we have no numbers and no idea which perks will change. I don't really like these changes the way they are now based on the limited information. Knowing how behaviour handled the removing of haste and hindered stackign I'm guessing they only changed tenacity and unbreakable and that's it.

Plot Twist is a unique case as far as I know. It's like a pseudo dying state (for instance, it doesn't affect the Abandon feature).

Perks are a variable I assume they left out until the PTB, just because it's a lot of details to work in. Same with Killer powers. I don't see them neglecting all of that in the long run. I agree that being transparent upfront would be better to do on BHVR's part, but I also think the end result would be roughly the same.

They have a notoriously bad track record for overlooking individual interactions when making sweeping changes, let alone ones that affect the core gameplay loop this drastically. Its easy to assume they will do everything right, but its crucial for them to allow themselves to be corrected when they don't. Considering the concern is generally around their lack of foresight, that basically means people are going to form their own conclusions and need to be corrected from them when they experience the changes personally. And unfortunately when people have preconceptions but only experience sweeping changes from one side, they tend to be more willing to ignore the concerns of "the other side" than they are to objectively assess them. We saw this firsthand during the overbrine meta, so many survivor players should remember the justifications they saw at the time.

This update is very likely going to fuel Us vs Them far more than it needed to, both in discourse and personal perceptions themselves.

The game is already getting review bombed on Steam, both for the WD dead update and this snafu

I don't think, at this point, there's any way that it works out well.

BHVR is breaking some longstanding rules of the asym genre. We'll see how it works out for them. I'm thinking it's going to tank survivor queues, but we'll see. Or, you will. I'll be skonging.

But it's a temporary band-aid. And a poisoned one. Leave it on too long, it'll kill the game.

You keep threatening that and yet here you are, on these forums.