Anti-tunneling incentives

Ideally, certain killers just need reworks to catch them up and level the field. But the blanket changes were clearly the easier option.

Yeah but the differences wasn't even in the area that benefited those killers, the BBQ aura. Excluding the new killer, all those listed had strong map movement or strong 1v1 and can benefit from the aura. Even with that they missed other killers that can teleport cross map like Dredge.

You could say the gen regres but that was a bonus against the progress, which is minimal.

Honestly, what they should do is add a section to the area of the bio where they display the killer's Height, Speed, and TR that explains their unique hooks benefits.This would give them space to make something more complex that you can read about from the character select screen so new players can just click into the character and read about it, even if like 70-80% of killers just said:

UNIQUE HOOK BENEFIT: 10% haste and 20% bonus regression to the next generator kick

But again, that is alreay super confusing to new players. The point is that they should adjust those killers individually not make basekit things work differently. At least with things like terror radius, height and movement speed are understandable things to a newer player.

The point is that we have identified some kilers that are apparently too strong and so they want to adjust basekit mechnaics.

Where does it go though? Perks had to be nerfed because they were too strong on nurse. Do we now make perks behave differently on different killers? Its a slippery slope that leads to massive complication of an already massively complicated game with hundreds of different perks, dozens of maps, and 30+ killers to already learn. I'd rather instead they nerf those killers so we don't have to also make perks bad just because it might be too strong on 1 of these killers.

So you don't find the argument that these killers have actively had perks release in a state that they are unusable because the perks is good? You want perks to be released and just be bad because 1 or 2 killers make them too strong? My point is that this is a 2 birds with 1 stone thing. Why not fix these killers individually instead of keeping them in this horrible state rather than try and complicate an already complicated game?

Awakened awareness was stated by the devs to be nerfed simply because it was too strong on nurse. Thus we have a perk that nobody uses. Yes, some perks will be better for other killers, that is the point, but if a single killer makes a perk completely OP to the point that the devs nerf that perk, it makes it even worse on say, trapper. That is a problem.

Its an example because it was clearly stated that the perk was changed due to nurse. They have a history of doing this, and it could be (again we don't know because we don't know what we don't know) that there are MANY perks on killer side of things that are just bad because they are afraid of how good they would be on nurse.

It's kind of a tough balancing act to follow on really because you're adding an extra layer of balance on top of everything as well. The ideal solution is to give killers their own unique incentives for unique hooks but doing like 30 different effects on top of perk and addon balance is just unrealistic. I guess the only suggestion I can think of right now is that rather than having the single set of benefits from hooking you divide them up into categories? AKA depending on the killer themselves, some just give the haste effect from a hook, some get the gen kick bonus from a hook, some get the aura reading from a hook, etc. My logic is that not all killers are gonna benefit from having every effect and maybe you could adjust the numbers individually from there, but I dunno. it's a lot of work.

I'm against the idea that people want to use the survivor QoL changes as an excuse to nerf the killers they don't like.

All killers need major help if the phase 2 changes happen. It's ok if some killers get more help than others, but it's completely awful when people heavily imply that some of the killers don't deserve meaningful rewards because "they're already good enough".

Thats the fault of unintuitive design more than anything. When designed properly, even complex mechanics can be presented in ways where the assumed process is the most effective. You can also design things to be very easily recognized without paying attention, like how the RBT's make it very clear they activate as soon as a gen pops. Having something like the unique hook system be on a per killer basis allows the devs to apply balancing considerations specifically in relation to each unique aspect of each killer. Its a lot of work if just a superficial system, but its foundation building for entire balancing freedom going forward. Think of why we even have differences in things like movespeeds and TRs in the first place, you're extrapolating on that in a foundational way in order to have a strong framework for adjustments in the future. The amount of future efficiency it would provide in aspects of balance and adjustments would far outweigh the initial effort required to create it. Think of it like the current variables are stats for each killer, and you'd just be adding another one.

I get what you're saying about mental stack and how unintuitive much of the game already is, but its something that can be done right.

I agree, I think it would make a great avenue to normalize between the strongest and weakest killers, as it could be used to adjust strengths and weaknesses inherent to their kits, while also avoiding blanket changes that still make the strongest killers stick out just as much. In another topic I talked about a potential idea like having the effects themselves be adjusted based on the killer, so a gen regression event might vary from a strong kick bonus on a mobile killer like Billy, or a weak map wide kick on someone territorial like Hag. There's a lot of potential for a system like this to have per killer considerations.

That lack of normalization is also something that keeps people from having real plans. People thinking about how oppressive the strong killers are will end up having different perspectives from people lamenting situations where the weaker killers encounter lose/lose situations. All anyone can really do is consider the "opposing side's" considerations evenly with their own to get the big picture.

I was thinking more like categories that would be consistent across killers. For example, [1 gen regression event, 1 tracking assist, and 1 personal modifier] would mean that it might have each change in potency and/or application method between each killer. So they would overall have the same core principles, just adjusted to each killer in a way that hems in the top and bottom performers. Having a factor be unique to each killer's power could be pretty neat way of approaching it too.