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Please, behaviour, listen to this
There is no secret that dead by daylight has one of the most toxic communitys of video games, and you know this if you have more than 1k hours and you are on high mmr.
I don't know from where are you reading this, but at least here in Europe I get insults every 2 games, and as someone who has social anxiety, this is affecting me, I even was about to quit the game several times, and I don't want to because I love this game.
Why am I posting this? Because behaviour need to start banning this people, this is not healthy for the game.
And I'm not talking about an "ez" or teabags, no, I'm talking about when it's really personal. As a girl, for example, I can't tell how many times I got "sended back to the kitchen", or when they even get, not only sexist, but also racist, homophobic, or even told you to die.
I even had to start playing in anonymous mode because I even got arassed on steam for weeks and either behaviour or steam did nothing... Which I find very, very sad.
It doesn't matter which side you play, I play both, but I consider myself killer main, and it doesn't matter that I won or loose, I'm gonna get crazy salt most of the time. I don't play strong killers, tunnel or camp at any match (and I'm not here to say that is bad or anything, is astrategy, just I say it because I mean I don't play sweaty at all) I just play for fun, and I don't care if I win or loose, in fact, I become friendly most of my matches if survivors do something funny (like bardic inspiration, look at me after stun, or whatever) and the only thing I want at the end of my matches is a "gg" or maybe something else, but good... And you know when I get a nice endgame chat? Once in like 20 games...
So, please, behaviour... I'm not asking for something crazy like balance the game, buffs or nerfs... Just I want to play this game to have FUN, and I don't want to be afraid of someone telling me to kill myself in every match... You need to start banning this people because I don't think is either good for the community, or even yourselves as a company.
I think is way better to have a healthy community even if you loose a bit more of money for banning this people.
Sorry if something is not written correctly, I'm not a native english speaker.
Thanks for reading, and I hope I meet more lovely people on this game♡
Little edit: To the people who says that the chat can be turned off and ignore them, that's not the solution. The thing is this behaviour shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE. And, if someone wants to deffend this, people insulting, harassing, and bullying other people, well… I can't say anything else to you.
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Interesting declaration, if you are part of the 1% its toxic but somehow that means the whole community is toxic. I would suggest you use the in game tool: tune off chat. Toxic chat can longer touch you.
They will never ban people for chat that doesn't cross any social lines. Stay away from identity, race, religion, and they shouldn't ban. A lot of people enjoy the trash talking aspect. I don't personally, so I don't read the comments. Its up to me whether I allow them to offend me or not. It should definitely not be policed by behavior.
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I'm sorry you're dealing with this. It's crazy how far people will go with their aggression. I don't really understand why end game chat is even a thing. It seems rare anything good comes of it.
This is one of the rare advantages of being on console. Someone has to be on the same platform as me to send me a message, and they have to go out of their way to do it. And if they're not very, very careful with thier wording, I can get them suspended or even banned. Not banned from the game, but banned form all online access.
I know people who want the chat to be universal and that's a big no thanks from me, unless they do something about how awful people are in it.
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Honestly, turn off chat. If you're only getting one nice comment every 20 games then it doesn't seem like you have any reason to keep it on. Play anon mode, enjoy your games, and remain blissfully ignorant of any and all salt. And i truly dont mean to come off as dismissive or anything, it's just a slim to none chance that those folk will ever get banned by BHVR, so you need to look after yourself.
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I know turning off the chat is an option, but as I am in a videogame, I'd like to make friends here.. and if companies like Blizzard do ban people for insulting and arassing, why behaviour doesn't? Who enjoys being insulted? A lot of people even told me to rap me or kill me.. and as I said, this happens A LOT.. seriously, why keep this?
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I used to SWF with a friend from NA servers and the toxicity was way less than in EU.
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Yeah, I've heard that a lot, and I wish I was from NA haha
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Honestly, what I’m reading here is just pathetic. That only 1% is toxic, that people enjoy the trash talking, that the solution to not being harassed, insulted, and threatened is to completely isolate yourself from the game’s social environment, and that the company won’t do anything—what kind of nonsense is this? I’ve been playing this game since 2016, we all know the kind of community we have (just look at the balance discussions), and obviously it’s the company that MUST take action. Enough of defending this crap.
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BHVR either needs to start banning people for chat abuse or just eliminate the chat feature altogether. I agree that keeping in the game is a huge contributor to the toxicity problem. Most people do not have the discipline to disable it themselves. I’ve never seen any action taken against people I have reported for chat abuse, even for vile things like suggesting I off myself, wishing terminal illness on my family or racial slurs. The amount of benefit for keeping the chat feature is far, far outweighed by the amount of toxicity it facilitates.
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Exactly.. and you can see how toxic is this community that I'm even getting down votes in THIS.. like people are deffending THIS, people who told you to die, your entire family, and a lot more of ######### things.. this is completly ridiculous.
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Yeah telling someone they should just isolate themselves within what's already a social endeavor is heartless advice. Not everyone is cool with being told to kill themselves over a video game. It sucks how often I try to message people with nice things only to find out their settings are private, because they're probably fed up with being harassed.
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She literally said she's getting insults about the very things you mentioned. Telling people to go back to the kitchen or to die is crossing social lines.
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You play on PC because you enjoy the freedom that it gives you.. but complain about others enjoying that freedom as well? Just play on console if you cant bring your self not to close the in game chat... Your social anxiety is unfortunate not anyone problem but your own and hopefully your therapist. And I saying this from a very kind place the internet is already a terrible place riddled with censorship and voids of silence because people fear the back lash of talking at all already we don't need a removal of our in-game chat system here as well. Or some AI to autobans people
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Your post while filled with good intentions is dangerous. And equivalent to the pearl clenching moms yelling "think of the children". These issues never stop. It's bad word that ban you today, crossing social lines tomorrow and then "geez" next week. Sorry but this isn't the solution just close the chat and move on
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What are you talking about of censorship or "think of the children"? Or freedom? I'm just asking about I don't want to get words like "die" "I'm gonna ######### you" "I hope you and all your family gets cancer" like.. are you for real deffending this? This shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE. The solution is not only ignore and close chat, because this people shouldn't be allowed to chat in the first place, it doesn't matter if I have a social anxiety or not… You told me to get a therapist but you should maybe got one as well for deffending this kind of violence in the internet.
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Thank you so much, finally someone else who understands my point
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I’m really concerned that you don’t know how to distinguish between free speech and harassment.
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"and that the company won’t do anything"
But they won't. If you've been playing since 2016 then you'd know that. The crap OP is dealing with is unacceptable, but when have you ever seen people come to the forums or on social media complaining that they've been permanently banned because of endgame chat? Maybe it happens but I'm yet to see it. If someone was telling me repeatedly to unalive myself or get cancer or be assaulted, etc etc, that would wear on my mental health badly. I can see it's wearing on OP badly. So yes, removing yourself from ingame communications *is* a perfectly reasonable course of action. Because we might be waiting another 10 years for the company to crack down on this stuff, and what would help OP in the meantime?
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The gulf between "you play like trash" and "you should go die" is rather large, my guy. "Everyone should be able to say whatever they like, whenever they like, wherever they like" is the world's most unnuanced take. Even free speech has legal restrictions. Harassing people, hate speech, and threats can get you fired from your job or even arrested in the real world, so you shouldn't be able to type "#########" in something as trivial as a video game and get away with it.
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Well, if the company doesn't do anything, that's why I'm posting this.. to try to change this, so, for that, we need to get many votes up as possible, so maybe they hear us..
You are such a lovely guy.. and you have a lot of common sense.. "freedom"? Like, what are you talking about? Insult or harass someone shouldn't be allowed, and, in fact, as you said, it isn't irl, and, somehow, people are defending this to be in the game.. and, again, the solution is not to just disable endgame chat, because I want to meet lovely people like you. Yes, call me weird if you want, but, I want to make FRIENDS in a VIDEOGAME, and not expect to get harassed almost every match.
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First of all, BHVR bans for things like that, if they are too much. You dont even need to write a Support Ticket, an ingame report is enough.
Seconds, the solution to disable Endgame Chat is not bad or anything. You have a way to not have to bother with those Comments, so use it. Yes, ideally you should not have to do that, but you have to do it and you can do it. Not doing it is kind of strange IMO.
And third you are probably exaggerating or not being very nice when playing, from my own experience I dont really encounter toxic Behavior too much, but it usually happens if someone gets upset about anything which another player has been done. Sure, sometimes those are very insignificant things, but sometimes being upset can be valid. So are you doing anything special that you get negative Endgame Chats that often?
And unrelated - could it be possible that we played against each other yesterday? Have you played as Anon Sadako on Forgotten Ruins yesterday evening/yesterday night? Against a team which let Survivors go to second Hook Stage? Just curious, since you are writing very similar to that person I faced yesterday. EU-Servers.-2 -
"Well, if the company doesn't do anything, that's why I'm posting this.. to try to change this, so, for that, we need to get many votes up as possible, so maybe they hear us.."
Absolutely. And hopefully they crack down harder on this stuff. But that doesn't help you in the meantime.
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I did reported a lot of people and I never saw anyone get banned, or almost anyone in more than 2 years, so, yeah, I think a Ticket is necesary.
Strange for not disabling the endgame chat? As I said, in a videogame, I want to make friends, and that kind of behaviour shouldn't be allowed.
And I'm not exaggerating, if you got a good experience overall, I'm happy for you, but don't accuse me of that, or even liying of what I am saying, because I'm talking about something very serious who everyone should support, because is not good for anyone. For real you want to keep people unbanned for saying "die" "get cancer", etc? That''s what I find kinda strange, ngl.
And no, I didn't played yesterday, and I even if someone camps or whatever, is a strategy of the game.. or do you find that a reason to wish him to die irl for killing you in a videogame which his rol is to kill you?
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Even on console where, like I mentioned, you have to jump through some hoops just to send a message, I get regular insults. They're not this extreme (cause, again, that gets you banned from the whole of online gaming on console) but I get them a lot, and I'm a super fair and chill killer who often gives hatch and goofs around with survs. I rarely camp, tunnel, or slug unless the team is being toxic and inviting it. But I will still get people accusing me of tunnelling because I found them 2 minutes after an unhooking, still injured and working on a gen, like I'm suppose to just turn around and let them finish it. Or I'll get accused of slugging because I left them on the ground for 20 seconds to chase their flashlight-wielding savior. People just have to blame you for their losses. Then, if I do bad, I get insults about that too. It's one of the reasons I'd rather play surv, and even then I've gotten messages, as well as in-game sandbagging and bullying from teammates.
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Oh, I was just asking with my latest paragraph. But your reactions indicates to me that you are also not always nice in Endgame Chat if you come at me with that when I simply asked a question.
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I hate the freedom excuse. Freedom isn't real. There are always social taboos and laws. If people could be cool, we wouldn't need them. But we can't, so we do.
It's really a bummer how friendly the whole gaming sphere can be. It's so disappointing when I want to complaint someone or thank them for helping me and I can't even message them because of their settings. I can just play a single player or against bots if no one wants to interact positively.
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You are accusming me of exaggerating, calling my behaviour "strange" because I want to chat nicely with people, or even saying that I'm not being nice in game.. and I'm the one who is not nice when I'm only asking for respect basically..? Sorry if you missunderstood anything of what I said, but I answered everything very nice, and I told you I wasn't that Sadako, or if your question was about doing something to upset someone.. what do you mean? Like tunneling or something? No, I don't do that, and, again, as I told you, even if someone does that, that is in the game.. that is not a reason to insult anybody or harass.
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Last reply to you, since I dont really want to repeat myself and stay with the opinion that you can just close the Endgame Chat. Yes, BHVR should (and they do!) ban for things which go over the line, but the first protection is always what you can do. And since you refuse to do it, I dont know what to say to be honest.
And no, this was not about tunneling or anything, in fact the Killer in question did not tunnel at all (something which you also claim) and was quite upset about what my teammates did in the game. And since your writing style is quite similar to this person, I was just curious if it was you. Nothing more. Your response to this just indicates to me that you are also not always nice in Endgame Chat.
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That's the whole point.. I just don't want to turn off chat because I'm afraid of getting insults.. I want to interact with people and say "fun match", "you played so well guys" and something like that.. because is what I'm used to say. If a team beats me because they were better, I want to say ggs to them and tell them how good they are..
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Again, is not the point of closing endgame chat, I started to do that.. just I've find it sad because I like to interact with people, and I feel myself very bad to having to disable it because I feel so vulnerable and not protected by behaviour, which is the authority here.
I don't know what you find "not so nice" about my answers that you might think that, I think I'm being very respectfull, and I even apologized if you misunderstood something, but ok.. and I was not claiming that it was for tunneling, just wondering.
Wish you best!
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Makes sense, barely get any toxicity and Im from NA
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I got social anxiety too and depression. I avoid playing killer sue to it. Even though i bought the game to play killer.
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”First of all, BHVR bans for things like that, if they are too much. You dont even need to write a Support Ticket, an ingame report is enough.”
Unfortunately that is not true. I’ve reported people for extremely vile things and not once have I received any response from BHVR that some was banned. Maybe it’s just me, but I have personally never seen it.
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You are looking at this emotionally. Your promoting banning people for words. Using the most extreme situation while I don't condone that behavior. What will be the next thing they get banned for? Telling you to get good? A typical "your mom" joke. The game as a filter for bad words that is enough. You are an adult (based off age rating of the game ) act like one stay away from things that are going to upset you. I'm being serious as a generally considered individual for your well being don't let words on the internet hurt you.
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Lol what are you doing to people that you get this much hate? Trust me I stick around for end game chats all the time never see anything snow ball to the claim you back except a few scenarios. You reply back and fan the flames. People who off unprompted saying the things that you claim do get banned just from in-game reports because if they do it against you they're doing it against other people. Yet you claim in 2 years. You never see people get banned for this kind of behavior. One either behavior isn't sending you personalized messages which is possible. Or two. These people are only saying things to you and the chats that they are reading shows that you are not helping the situation once again, I don't want to try to accuse you of anything, but your experience just seemed vastly different from mine. Not that I'm an arbiter of this type of thing, but I mean I've been playing games since the '90s and trust me trash talk was way worse back then
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If they made a drill where the handle got REALLY hot when you used it, you could argue that it's a poorly made product and that it "shouldn't" do that. And you would be correct.
But if you keep using that drill in the exact same way, burning your hand, instead of taking actions to avoid hurting yourself…
I get it. People shouldn't be dicks. That's no reason to keep burning your hand. Turn off chat.
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I've got a lot of thoughts on this so I'll just dump them all like I tend to do, but in the end, I just don't think BHVR cares. Until shareholders or the press or whoever they're afraid of gets an idea of how bad it is and it makes them look bad, I don't think they're going to change anything.
I've personally been keeping the chat closed recently and just played, never bothering with post game interactions. It's been alright. The games have been so ridiculously sweaty and sweaty players are the most vile in post game chat so nothing of value lost really. Some players take the game so personally it's unreal.
If BHVR wanted to make chat less terrible and much more manageable for themselves too, they could do it like this:
- Add an setting to completely disable lobby and postgame chat in the options, requiring a full restart to put in effect so you can't turn it on or off at will, you have to commit to it. This would also add a "no chat" icon to your name in post game screen, maybe even pregame lobby. Exactly how console players have it, no chat window whatsoever. This would also be helpful for players with chat, because they could see which players can actually see their messages. Console players without chat would obviously have this "no chat" icon, as would muted players, which I'll get to.
- Make chat opt out by default, so you have to go into the settings to enable post game chat and pregame lobby chat. Most players wouldn't bother turning it on, even on Epic Games or Steam, because of how toxic it is. It would quickly become a thing of the past and good riddance. If people wanted post game interactions, they could leave their Steam profiles open so people can comment there, or just leave post game chat enabled and hope they find someone else who's bothered to do so as well
- Add chat bans, or "mutes" that are separate from game bans. Right now, the only punishment BHVR can give to someone being vile in postgame chat is a game ban, which even I think is too harsh. It doesn't make sense to ban someone from the game completely just because they act terrible on chat. But if you add a separate ban for chat, it would lower the threshhold for what BHVR can punish toxic chatters for significantly. Exactly what would cause a ban would be up to them. They could even add some clear guidelines as like an info box next to the chat window, just so people understood what could get them chat banned.
- As a little bonus, add a "GG" button for players that they can click if they enjoyed the match. Clicking this would show everyone you said GG, and everyone except yourself gets 3k extra bloodpoints, like you're gifting everyone else in the lobby some points because you enjoyed playing against them. You could also see who else used their GG button. Maybe you could have some stats that tracked how many GGs you get in your matches, how many matches you say GG yourself, some percentages, etc. If you're in a party, it only counts as one GG for the whole party for obvious reasons. Kind of like the commend systems in Dota, League where you can give other players some props after the game
With this, there would just be less post game chat interactions since fewer people would be using chat, and fewer people that did use chat would use it in games where everyone else had it disabled. Thus less stuff for BHVR to have to moderate in the first place. Plus, the GG button would be a small positive thing where you can choose to reward other players if you enjoyed playing against them.
If you wanted more social interactions, you could still add others either on the platform you're playing on if they're on the same platform, or even directly through DBD if they're not anon and have friend invites on. Or just keep your chat enabled. So the social aspect would still be there. Of course people would still add you on your platform to talk #########, but at that point you just have to tweak your settings on that platform. Still don't get why console players don't get anon mode, must suck for them.
Hell, if they wanted DBD to be more of a party game, BHVR could actually add voice chat to DBD too, but only for players in the same party, not solos. This seems like a no-brainer to me. Wouldn't it be cool to have a game with a console player, add them, get in a party with them and be able to talk to them over voice chat, all within DBD? Of course though this would need to be moderated kinda strictly so survivors wouldn't add people to harrass them in a party since they couldn't talk to them through chat.
I feel like the chat issue is almost entirely solvable by giving the players more options, and clearly signalling to toxic chatters that are mad after a game that "Hey, nobody has the stupid chat enabled, nobody wants to talk to you, shut up and deal with it instead of lashing out like a child." For now I just don't bother with chat at least on killer. It's worthless to me and there's no friends to be made unless you're playing survivor anyway.
4 - Add an setting to completely disable lobby and postgame chat in the options, requiring a full restart to put in effect so you can't turn it on or off at will, you have to commit to it. This would also add a "no chat" icon to your name in post game screen, maybe even pregame lobby. Exactly how console players have it, no chat window whatsoever. This would also be helpful for players with chat, because they could see which players can actually see their messages. Console players without chat would obviously have this "no chat" icon, as would muted players, which I'll get to.
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I can’t image what your post would have been if you played call of duty modern warfare 2(2009) or black ops 1 or 2
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So I love you takes they are all good and well thought out the GG button honestly do a lot to help the mood of the community. But you said it in your own conclusion this basically kills chat in the game. ALOT of effort when kill switching it would be easier and have the same effect.
The OP needs to realize that coming to dbd to "make friends" is going to have speed bumps as this isn't a social game it's very anti-social by design. It's a competitive (1) vs 1v1v1v1 with shared goals you will actually benefit from screwing other survivors over on a regular basis. Go to the park or random online chat rooms if your looking for everyone's greeting to you to be nice and cheery but people a lot of people in this game are gonna be heated by the end of the match like it or not and you won't be able to change that and you shouldn't want to! As mentioned this games don't get much less social as a online game then this. So ask of people want to be friends and move on.
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And? So what if there might have been period of time where another game that was more toxic.
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Those were the wild west days and I don't miss it. That toxicity turned me off to multi-player for years. Even now, this is the only one I play, and I'm glad there's no VC.
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I have 1400 hours in the game myself, and coming from Norway (which is in Northern Europe), I often times get matched with and against people who takes the game way too seriously, and loves to insult others when they have bad games, or just from nefarious intents. Don't want to come off as a jerk, but when I say that most of the insults towards either side comes from people in Eastern Europe.
I understand the frustration with the toxicity in the game, and I really wish that chat restriction could be a thing, especially if those reports were taken seriously.
PS: If you need friendly people to play with, feel free to join me and my little group who plays. If you have Discord, you are also welcome to banter with us. Limited English or not, it does not matter :)Post edited by THE_Crazy_Hyena on1 -
As a DBD player for 4yrs, I have NEVER had game chat on, nor will I ever because: As long as I’ve played ANY online game there has ALWAYS been people who truly say some foul, awful sh*t. Look, I grew up a tomboy around bikers and the military so I’m not offended by much, I’ll play the teabag game as much as the guys because it’s just funny to me. But some people do take things way too far and there’s not much anyone can do about it…it’s the internet where people can be whatever awful person they want to be, and most times they do get away with it. Everyone’s real brave behind a keyboard/controller. It sucks but it’s true. I’m sorry you had to deal with those comments, they are horrible, but you can block chat from those people, and I recommend keeping chat blocked from all but the ones you feel comfortable with. I’ve never had to read crap like that because I have it blocked. Only thing I deal with now is not being able to play certain survivors sometimes because of the BLATANT racists that exist in the world. That is not BHVR problem, that is across gaming/internet/etc problem. The racist players don't even attempt to hide it and I’ll have to switch over to a more mayonaisse character if I want to play at all- it sucks. People suck. I play games to have fun, relax, etc not to deal with more stupidity. Until people learn to be better humans, all of this crap will continue to exist. Play your game, turn chat off, and don’t let the idiots get to you. Haseyana, feel free to send a friend request if you’d like and I’ll be happy to accept.
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This is where I'm at too. It might just be a terminally online thing, but nothing that can be said to me in DBD (especially with the chat filter) would make me want to have action taken. None of it is that personal unless I'm giving them information about myself, which isn't wise in the first place. I mainly keep chat off too though.
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it comes down to mmr as it always has. Mmr and sbmm has been a cancer to video games since its inception. Back in the 2000's multiplayer was ment to be fun nowadays we gotta play like our lives depend on it leading to terrible games that ruin peoples mood and they take it out on other people who are just trying to have a good time.
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BHVR won't even ban people from this forum for acting abusive.
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That’s not true at all. I’ve seen lots of people banned on this forum. I wish BHVR put in the same amount of effort in banning people for post-game chat abuse, I’ve never seen it happen there.
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