Honestly, I am done for now and I hope you are too

tunneling isnt toxic behaviour, its the killer doing their job. if bully squads were doing their job (gens) i wouldnt have an issue with that either because its part of the game. killers shouldnt be required to run slow down perks but look at how many do…. part of the game

Can't really blame people when they're not forced to. You also have to consider the amount of people that do play both but keep their alliances with one side (i.e. Killer/Survivor is so hard and when I play the other side it's so easy). The most important thing you can do is play the game however your heart desires, but drop any of that baggage once you leave the game and compare your experience with the experiences of others to see the bigger picture. They will always fill in any gaps you're missing.

A call this made up nonsense. If a killer is "hard tunneling." and "face camping"(which is technically been removed years ago), it's a free gen rush wirh anything past a 1K being the survivors fault.

1. I fundamentally disagree the need to "adress" "slugging and tunneling". It's just part of playing the game.
2. This "shake up" would hit people, accidently breaking this new rules, way to easy. And if that bullsh*t wozld hit me like 2 times just by accident, if would rather quit, either for good or until it's fixed(aka removed).

Enjoy your 30min lobby wait. Maybe they bringt in killer bots. Fun PvE.

the difference is killers dont get half as much 2nd chances as survivors do. the hatch for instance, its not the killer that wants to avoid kills and wait for hatch, thats survivors. as previously said, i can take the loss. when all gens are done i acknowledge game over, survivors won. when all are down/hooked survivors should acknowledge game over, killer won.

such as? the only real 2nd chance the killer has is NOED.

Then just hook the survivor.

Oh right, just hook survivor as Oni to always end my power, very effective…

If you came back after 20 seconds, you are going to find them within 20 meters of where you left them. Shack is 10 meters wide for reference. It's not that hard. You just walk around in the general area and listen for sound.

Which wastes my time even more, which is not really good when my slugging is under time limit.

All you need to do is fix full slugging, which 90 seconds to unlock unbreakable does more than enough, rest is simply overkill.

Slugging should be an option for the killer, it just shouldn't be primary tactic. Those changes made slugging kinda impossible in general.

It should definetly be trimmed unless you want to remove all situations where killer needs to slug, but good luck with that….

The comment about The Twins was all I really needed to see to disregard this post. None of these changes should be considered until they can be reworked healthily so as to not invalidate a Killer (hence why they will be re-introduced in future PTBs). Sorry, but that's just not be an acceptable attitude towards balance.

thats because survivors are not supposed to be able to run forever. survivors start the match at their strongest, the killer is weakest at the start. survivors have a full team, full set of pallets, can spread out to do more gens. as the match progresses this slowly shifts to killer being strongest at the end and survivors weak at the end after they use pallets and reduce the amount of gens that need to be done. thats the base of the game, hardly 2nd chances for killers to get kills after failing. keep giving survivors chance after chance and they will start the match strong and will not get weaker as the match progresses.

2nd chances are things that give the player another chance after failing, breaking pallets and chasing long enough for bloodlust or survivors vaulting same vault so it blocks isnt the killer failing.

1.survivors can fail to do gens and still escape via hatch.

2 they can fail to find hatch first and still escape if they have a key.

3. survivors can fail a chase and get injured then heal.

4. survivors can fail in 2 chases get hooked/downed and still get saved after failing the chases.

5. now they want another 2nd chance after failing chase by recovering themselves from being downed.

when can the killer get a kill without doing anything after failing? they dont have a team to protect gens for them or to chase for them, the killer has to do everything, survivors wont die on their own while i sit back and do nothing. but if i have a good team as survivor it is possible for me to sit back and do nothing then escape.

you say these anti tunneling perks only delay the inevitable, i dont run any anti tunnel perks or anti slug and im solo. i go in with a gen build. this month so far out of over 70 matches my escape rate is 52%. im by no means an amazing survivor but i do play a fair amount of survivor and killer and i seriously dont see the issue. the only issue i see is the god awful team mates i get. if i had a good team constantly maybe my escape rate would be higher. sorry but i have to call skill issue in many cases that people fail against a tunneling/slugging killer. it is strange that a lot of people complaining about these tactics actually have an escape rate of around 40% atleast which is the target rate for survivor. if these tactics were effecting escape rates negatively and making killers over 60% kill rate fair enough but they dont.

I agree they should implement something sooner rather then later and if that something under delivers then buff it in the future.

I disagree with all the buffs and nerfs and systems required for their proposal. It's all just too complex. I think it could be solved much easier. Survivors get 5% haste buff off the hook until someone else is hooked. On unhook there is no longer a notification for the killer.

After 90 seconds of slug time, survivors can lift themselves up from slug for the rest of the match.

That's it. Let's try that for a bit and see what new strategies emerge.

its a generational thing considering the age of the game, but facecamping existed because standing that close blocked the unhooked prompt. Facecamping is no more because survivors can unhook from multiple sides. Further nerfing this method is the removal of hook grabs.

Think about it for a moment and see that what the killer is doing here is limiting their field of view. It would be better for them to stand back a few steps and stalk any survivor that comes to help. More than likely that Myers is close to T3.

Strange then, that many years later they added a literal "Anti FACE Camp" mechanic. That people have been very, very specific since it's inception that it is designed specifically and only to combat face camping, and literally no other purpose.

I won't deny that the definition of "face" camping has shifted over the years, from what you describe by denying the only single unhook spot, to simply standing nose to nose with the survivor (or hitting on hook). But you can still hit people on hook for the full duration and their only option is to jump off hook into getting immediately hit right now, on live.

I don't think any of us call Mori's something different just because they don't function the same as they used to.

"I'm getting mori'd" used to mean you got downed. Then it meant you got tunneled off of first hook. Now? Doesn't really mean anything.

Just a weird hill to die on.

Nope. You just keep sticking to your combat term and move the goal post. And "face camping" has always been a stupid strategy unless, the survivors played STUPID. If a killer is camping the hook, just punch gens. Any camper getting more than 1K, is bad plays by the survivors. Stop blaming killer,.

If hard tunneling and bully SWFs are equivalent things, then why aren’t we having QoL changes to nerf bully SWFs?

Why is the demands for game changes ALWAYS about how the game should be less frustrating for survivors, but NEVER about how the game should be less frustrating for killers?

Personally, I would be ok with any changes that move the game in a better direction. If that means, exhaustion perks have to go, or any other changes to balance the game, so be it.

I must acknowledge, that I might be alone in this sentiment. There would be many that would complain. This is where the devs have to do what's right for the game regardless of what any one person says.