The case of trapper being weak because of new players

To a degree, addons deal with that, though its a horrible way of dealing with it in my opinion.

We also have killers like Wraith who are extremely powerful at the new player level. Should they be nerfed there and buffed later (maybe you believe that, not an accusatory framing)?

Even with the buffs though, you have the issue that that as you get close to and move away from the line other problems emerge. 'Oh, I'm right below the buff line and I'm getting crushed' to 'I'm just past the buff line, I'm destroying survivors again' to 'I'm way past the buff line, he's so incredibly weak'.

Its not in skill but in power it self it costs you precious time and still theres little chance it will work compare to wraith,blight which can get fast over the map and presure survivors right away but as trapper with setting traps you begin the game by loosing and traps can punnish you as killer more than survivors in many scenarios thats why he is adept on rework.

that would be the most nightmarish arbitrary thing imaginable

I think it's fine to have characters that are weak in the game, especially when their abilities don't really promote interactive gameplay, or abilities that are hard to tweak in a way that's intuitive, balanced, and without completely redesigning.

…also where did they say that they weren't going to buff him more, they literally just said they had stuff planned in the last AMA:

We are in agreement that Trapper's kit is outdated. You are also correct that his kit being simple is important. That being said, we are looking into The Trapper's kit to give him a much needed update, whilst maintaining the simplicity of the character. No ETA as it's a work-in-progress.

Its only behavior shame that their poster boy is biggest clown in their game and his power is just lucky (skill+opportunity) with rng like map,grass,angles survivor is looking or swf which calls out his traps but didnt bhvr confirm his rework like in 2026. He needs buffs now imagine if the antichanges that were moved to next ptb release were released no trapper would be almost guarantee lost he cant go for every fresh cahse and his power is just slow fat spider setting small webs and waitng for flyes to get caught so he can grab them but now is survivor protected fron antitunnel ptb changes steps into your trap you can just watch him and do nothing or you will be punished sam as blight tunneling on 5 gens one guy like in some competitive tournament which is bad and not fair.

when your simple suggestion is "make it so that mechanics are locked behind a hidden, inherently fluctuating MMR system", the hyperbole is 100% warranted

Trapper ia to weak. Period. He needs permanent buffs. No obscure things like "if the map is big" or "in certain MMR". His basekit is outtdated. Wasting tume collecting traps to be able to use your basekit power is stupid. Give him a permanent Trapper Sack to begin with.

Not even outdated, it's just straight up misinformation I'm pretty sure.

It's inherently fluctuating for anyone not at (or well established in, since you can technically fall out of) the softcap. And besides, it's still a bad idea to tie core, game-changing mechanics to something as dubious (and again, hidden) as MMR. Imagine if a game like chess saw your available moves with each piece increase as you rose in ELO…it just doesn't make sense. At that point what are you even learning at lower ELO when the game could transform so fundamentally as you got better? A game should change naturally (and be adjusted for everyone the same way, in the case of live service videogames) based on players' (and devs') understanding of the game, not be changed directly & arbitrarily for one subset of the playerbase that the game detects is of higher skill.

I'd like to see you actually defend your idea (or explain your principles that led to that idea, assuming you've developed any) instead of assuming my emotional integrity is compromised & assuming I'm totally ignorant of how the MMR system works. Especially when you self-admit (and I might add, in a bold, dismissive way) that you were ignorant of BHVR's statement regarding what they have planned for Trapper. To me, it just seems like you want to deflect any responsibility away from yourself despite you being the one who created the thread in the first place.

It wont even if diamond stone with iri stone are basekit with blood coil only what will be better is his traps leathality but he will still be weak because of his main playstyle which he has just going across the map without any mobility or recalling his trapps across them map, investing precious time which other killers use actively to chase and slowdown survivors he spends wondering across the map and placing traps that get dissarmed or arent even used the whole match just badly desinged power for current DBD fast phasted game thats why newer killers has kinda everything in their kit or main parts like antiloop and mobility.

it's been a whole week and you still decided to reply just to say "not reading that" and continuing to deflect for some reason so it must be that serious to one of us.

I hope your week & weekend was a good one.