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Is the legion redundant?
I have played legion for a significant amount of time beginning shortly after his release, and with more and more killers added, it feels like the legion is not worth picking anymore. Legion is on paper supposed to be a hit and run killer that can keep survivors injured with "very easy" first hits. The power also gives some mediocre tracking and mobility.
Since legion's release there has been a few hit-and-run killers that do most or all of what feral frenzy does but better or in a different style. Ghoul, deathslinger, blight, singularity, and houndmaster. All of those killers can also use their power as anti-loop to actually finish the kill. Even the huntress in an open map can be better at fast injuries than legion and sadly she's one of the oldest killers.
Ghoul's first hits are a lot easier to get than on legion because he's so much faster and has a ranged attack. He doesn't have as good tracking perhaps but that doesn't matter because he traverses the map a lot faster. So if you have good game knowledge, you can actually get to the next chase faster.
Deathslinger seems like a weird comparison. However, if you land all the shots at the max range, this ranged killer is arguably better at hit-and-run than legion. You can injure survivors without having to leave your location which is great for camping. This is an alternative to legion's chase style, and I think it's arguably more useful in more scenarios. The power is also a great anti-loop. It's the same logic with houndmaster and huntress, but what makes them better is that they can actually down survivors. The legion generally has to hold W and eat pallets to get an actual result.
That's why he's horrible in comparison because he has to eventually commit to chasing a survivor for a very very long time into some useless corner of the map. Whereas these killers that I mentioned, when skillfully played, can down without having to hold W. They can also choose to simply injure but not commit, without losing too much pressure. On top of that, when the survivors are injured, their snowball potential is so much more threatening than a legion who has minimal snowball potential.
Basically my point is, today's killer designs are so much more lethal and effective at downing survivors without having to compromise their playstyle. It honestly feels like the ghoul specifically is what the legion was supposed to be. Maybe this killer needs the pre-2.7.0 gameplay back in a different form that is actually good and not one-dimensional. An idea I came up with on the spot is that feral frenzy gets massive number or gameplay buffs to help him turn the injuries into downs on the condition that every survivor has to be injured. Or maybe he just needs movement speed buffs. What do you think?
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Legion is a noob-stomper. Against newer players, it’s a very easy win because the survivors spend the whole match fully healing after getting injured and never working on gens. They typically won’t play staying injured, which is the correct strategy against Legion. Against experienced survivors who are comfortable staying injured while working on gens, Legion is incredibly weak because they have no chase power to get the down after someone is already injured.
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Legion is a rather bad killer, sure he has some decent mobility but he relies on the survivors being close and if they aren't he's just like a M1 killer without ability, he's only playable against decent players if you run slowdown.
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If i recall correctly, the devs have mentioned Legion as being a popular starter killer for newcomers. They have a high pick rate in low MMR. There are plenty of DBD veterans who love and main Legion, which is great and there's nothing wrong with that, but i feel they're a killer alot of players outgrow as they advance.
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Legion works for what they are: a low-skill character for players who are new to playing Killer, arguably doing a better job than the character BHVR likes to tout as the poster-boy for these players and refuse to buff as a result (yes, I'm talking about Trapper). And I'm saying this as someone who has consistently placed Legion among my top 5 since their release (used to be top 3, but Vecna and Xeno pushed them down, though I'm maybe reconsidering Xeno now that my hype has died down) and usually play simply for the vibes rather than the results.
Yes, they're pretty bad at higher levels without making dirtbag plays, but they're good at teaching fundamentals that the stronger Killers can branch off from. They're fine as they are.
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Yall can say what you want, I love playing Legion. Throw on something like batteries and he can really punish ppl who stay injured.
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Its kinda like how i mained xeno until dracula came along. And springtrap does everything xeno does just better. If you want to keep playing the same one because hes ur favorite, no problem. But you are going to not enjoy most of your rounds as survivors have adapted over the years against stronger killers with new perks and such, and the mmr will stay high based on your rate of winning. But yea springtrap makes xeno feel reduntant because 1: he doesnt have his view glued to the floor. 2: he can hit over pallets just the same as xeno can, just with a bigger cooldown that can be shortened. 3: his doors are much easier to find, to reach, to travel with, and come with a long stealth buff after using them. 4: his counter with the doors revealing him is worthless and doesnt even bother you compared to turrets turning off your power completely and creating safezones everyone can build and run to at the first sign of danger, as well as telling them when you are coming.
But i still play xeno because i like it, i suffer but its atleast enjoyable sometimes. Maybe itd be the same with legion
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Legion is way less frustrating to play as, when the survivors want to aggressively bodyblocking for each other.
As in, survivors really don't try that against Legion that much, because Legion can easily just feral frenzy all the bodyblockers, and used the increased speed to still follow whoever they are chasing.
Meanwhile, if Ghoul tries to M2 a bodyblocker, they are stunned for so long that it can be annoying to catch up to the original target, since Ghoul's tokens regenerate so slowly.
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The main difference is legion has to run his butt to the survivor and risk palett stun or miss more than ghoul who has more range and speed for his easy hit and if he doesnt get that hit still he has that great mobility which helps him catch up faster.
Legion is great against less experienced and newer players, he is better at injuring whole team but lacks the 1v1 effectivness and power to comit these chases which ghoul has covered in his kit. Thats why legion is so strong in 2v8 he just injures whole team faster than ghoul could but lacks the power to get fast downs which other killers doesnt have problem with.
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Xeno now is so easy to react and doge that I dont want to play him because springtrap,nemesis or other range killers exist.
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Legion can injure the entire team way faster than Ghoul can. Also has better info than him.
Not the better killer for sure, but they have their advantages over Kaneki.
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Not to mention any survivor with some common sense will begin running away and making distance the moment they hear the Legion's terror radius come their way after they start frenzy hitting.
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The problem is that he's too easy to play, if he was more difficult to play then he could get significant buffs without hurting less experienced players.
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Maybe if you're not great at Legion.
Even if they do stun me out of power, it usually serves me because I rarely take off Enduring.
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Legion is an oddball. Sits in a weird spot in 1v4, but feels perfect for 2v8 like they were designed for it in mind.
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Honestly a lot of Legion players couldn't care less that he's an M1 killer after injuring someone or that hes not that strong. Most of us just wanna run fast and stab and hit that sweet adrenaline rush that a 5 hit combo provides. Legion just lacks the speed to actually deliver on that fast paced killer fantasy. Remember that one patch where Legion didn't gain a FOV increase in their power and everyone thought he wasn't getting a speed increase in Feral Frenzy? Yikes.
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I enjoy M1 killer gameplay and have fun with skins, so for me Legion is very good option. I basically main him and Oni for same reasons…
But yeah, overall Kaneki is simply way better at everything, except information. Issue is you can't really buff Legion, when he is already noob stomping and they better not try to rework him.0 -
Yeah, Enduring is must have on Legion imo. I love diving under pallet for instadown…
Stunning under pallet works in 2v8, like sure I will get hit, but you are staying here with me. Works only on low ping tho.
In 1v4 best thing survivors can do is simply bodyblock you while being in mending state, or just prerun…
I personally enjoy playing Legion and hope they are not going to change them any time soon.
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Enduring is one of my most picked perks full stop. I think it's like at 20% according to the official stats site.
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any killer is a noob stomper .
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