Does DBD favor killers?

Predator / I´m all ears stuff
Tbh this shines mostly on Nurse — aura reads erase distance because she just blinks to you. On most other killers? If your pathing + cam control are decent, you’ll live even if they see you for 4–6s (+2s if they burn a perk slot on Lethal). That’s why you barely see these perks outside niche builds.

And..

If you suspect Nowhere to Hide, play for it: don’t crouch behind a random rock near the gen — wait at a checkspot near a pallet or a tile you can actually take a chase from. If the perk’s confirmed, weaponize it: you know he wants the kick → free time to rotate and build distance while he kicks. Struggling with a 4–6s aura usually means a positioning issue, not that the perk is broken.Thats on you. Maybe this is a point where u can improve.

Also, these aura perks come with heavy cooldowns and/or conditions (lose chase, fast vaults, kick the gen, etc.), so mindgames and short stealth windows are still very doable — especially during those long downtime phases.

DBD was never meant to be a pure stealth game. Back in 2016 the core loop was actively escaping the killer, with stealth elements — not full stealth. Maps and structures were designed for chases,even more than today. Stealth was always meant to be used during a chase to lose the killer, not to sneak off early and sit in a bush all match. That got abused, which is why grass got reworked, maps were made brighter, and certain offerings were removed. (bye bye full moon) So no, I wouldn’t call that “good stealth” — it’s a playstyle survivors abused to drag games out, and it was never the original idea.

and phantom fear.. come on.. 2 sek aura with 60 sek cooldown. noone plays this perk.

it’s not intended that someone can completely avoid killer contact — everyone has to get found at some point. thos chance has to be there. if you can’t accept that, maybe this isn’t your game. if 2 seconds of reveal into a maybe insta-down is a problem, there’s a lot of room to improve. you can’t balance the game around that, because some players turn a 2sek aura into a 60s chase and don’t go down instant. and there are plenty of short stealth moves to briefly break los, buy a few extra seconds, extend a structure, or just create (sometimes ´huuuuge) distance.

I'd like to see you try and stop a hard tunneller from doing exactly that. Let's see how good you are at making a killer that is intent on tunnelling, stop tunnelling.

I'd like to see you try and stop a hard tunneller from doing exactly that. Let's see how good you are at making a killer that is intent on tunnelling, stop tunnelling.

nah. when I pick someone and decide to tunnel, I full commit — but survivors gotta give me that window first. why would I proxy in a (for me) dead zone with nothing there (no important gens), with no clue on unhook timing, no gen info, and zero side pressure while i proxy?? especially if they’re milking the hook timer. once I’ve rotated across the map into the zone I wanna hold, it’s not worth the efficiency to run back just to force a tunnel. so yipp : if I tunnel, I tunnel — that person ain’t getting out. do I want to tunnel every time? hell no. if they go down in smart zones and actually play macro, tunneling nukes my tempo. why would I grief my own pressure?

Let me just pull the pin here and make your whole entire argument collapse: Nothing you've talked about so far puts any distance between tunnelling and regular play. Nothing you've talked about makes tunnelling less advantageous than chasing a fresh target.

ALL of this is simply you complaining about bad survivor plays and then acting like it is that, and only that, that makes tunnelling profitable.

Not the early 1v3 and the default much shorter chase given the survivor starts with one evaporated health state, but just… 'Hookbombing bad'.

Take this, for example:

nah. tunneling puts a totally different kind of pressure on the team. said it a bunch already. as long as people still have hook states and don’t feel tunnel pressure, they laser-focus gens. it’s not about “one less health state” — plenty of survivors stay injured and keep pushing gens anyway. the real pressure is you pushing someone toward dead hook.

and when the killer isn’t tunneling and folks still have hook stages, there’s way less reason to play safe: no need to reset, no avoiding dead-zone gens — “i’ve still got a hook stage.” that’s the difference. this difference is huuge.

You know how this differs from non-tunnelling?

The 're-spot' and finding a survivor actually exist and cost time here. They don't, with tunnelling. That's all basekit and free.

you act like only cuz re-spot just vanishes when you tunnel. it doesn’t cost— you pay it in a different currency: while you hover, 2–3 survivors are doing gens, resetting, or setting up cover/bodyblocks.

choosing to tunnel (especially early, not on dead hook) is a macro loss — it drags you off your gen cluster. that’s why tunnel often isn’t worth it once survivors play smart: they go down in good zones (nothing for you there) and actually play macro.

once you’ve rotated over, running back to keep the tunnel is inefficient. a fresh chase at a hot gen usually protects more progress than hook babysitting at this moment.

You get 10 seconds of extra gen progress, but in exchange, you go down to a 1v3 in one full chase and two half-chases.

No one is taking that trade.

Again, all you are talking about are things that are even between tunnelling and non-tunnelling, failing to construe any meaningful difference between the two.

You can get as verbiose as you like, you can say 'macro' as often as you like, your argument still falls flat because the game simply doesn't work the way you have conjured it into your head.

None of what you have mentioned makes tunnelling work less than non-tunnelling.

i already explained verything.. you can tell you haven’t even put 100 hours in since 2021. can’t help you there — go get your own experience. I’ve already laid out the differences; if you don’t see them, that’s a game sense gap. i cannot help u there to get more gamsense.

and yup, tunneling gets way less attractive when people go down in bad zones for the killer — places with nothing to proxy, no hot gens to guard, no easy side pressure. if they milk the full hook timer (those extra 10s are huuuge), pull last-second (trade if needed), and layer in the right perks, you lose tempo a lot by choosing to tunnel there. that’s the difference. you lose the game.

tunnel is a tool, not an auto-win. pick it in the wrong spot and you grief your own pressure.

Tunnelling doesn't teach anyone anything. Normal play teaches them significantly more.

it does, just not the lesson you prefer. survivors learn hook-timer discipline, trade calls, bodyblock timing, off-hook routes, when to reset vs. better slam this damn , and how to play smart and not to aggressive because its a threat to get found. and how important it is to use ur time during this match.

Everything you have spoken about has been presented without a single shred of supporting evidence, it's all just been whatever you feel like.

not even about how I feel ehw?— this changes.. it’s about how survivors feel. this is a change that isn’t technically needed for balance; it’s there to reduce newbie frustration from players who don’t want to learn the game and get overwhelmed by a tunnel. (better info + better MMR would be the real fix.)

Then give better stats. Give better numbers. 

i don’t put much stock in these rates, but here are the latest numbers. like I said, imo they’d skew harder against survivors if people actually played macro. but this is what BHVR has published — and it’s the target they balance toward. idk.. my pov:this stats dowsnt say much and do not show what happens ingame.

15k hours, some tourneys back the days, and way too many VOD reviews — yep, definitely AI. Appreciate the compliment. xD

Exactly the kind of killers like Doc needed those changes. Doc isn’t strong — still isn’t.

Dead Man’s? good players clock it: tap some throwaway gen, let it block for ~50s, move on. i mean, not a waste perk, but counterable in most of cases.

The issue isn’t just map size, it’s layout/design.

Smaller maps have survivor upsides: I’m fast there with a flashy for a pallet save, quick bodyblocks, faster resets; downside is the killer rotates quicker.

Billy specifically: there’s so much clutter and invisible stuff now that you stuck on everything — again, not just size.

Do we need map reworks? absolutely. But that’s mostly about other problems than “too small.” On Coldwind and Haddonfield they overdid it; I don’t even see size as the main problem there — it’s missing filler pallets between some structures + bad RNG on certain layouts… and we need less totallydeadzones

and rng is sometimes a mess:

(already made a vid about this)

You can’t really argue with someone who’s played 100 hours since 2021 and ~500 total. Different lobbies, different experiences. and we only can share our experieriences. i mean.. : I play this 100 hours in two weeks. I’m just asking: should we balance the game around people who barely boot it up over 4 years / or complete newbies? All we can do is share our experiences. and his is just as valid as mine.

and my goal is to share that (my) reality, not win a popularity contest. So yup—whatever the devs do with this is on them. (and my reality may be a waaay different from his: different mmr, different lobbies, I guess.)

and .. its not about my posts: I just think it’s funny that anyone speaking from the killer side—unless they add buuuut I play sooooft—gets mass downvotes. Just kinda funny to me; it speaks for itself. xD (for me)

and also for me, this game is pvp. Most people in this forum don’t like that mindset, but it exists—same as the folks who go full meme with a full meme loadout and don’t really care, like “I just want to have fun.” that’s what I don’t like on the flip side.

so yup, different playstyles, different lobbies, different opinions, different playstyles, different experiences.

this is my experience from my matches yesterday:

(my matches yesterday - duo q only - no full swf )

and this has been my experience most of the time—unless we make massive mistakes on survivor side—against most killers in the roster. Even without the killer using the full kit (slugging/tunneling), it’s often an easy 3-4-man out if there’s no pressure. If the killer hard tunnels at 5 gens, you end up with like at 2 gens .. one person dead and two gens high. Once it’s a 3v1, that’s exactly the state the killer role needs against an efficient team that doesn’t give insta-downs. everything else is basically gambling on survivor mistakes—a coin flip that they mess up or are just bad—not really the killer “playing” for a 4K.

sure, you can get unlucky—bad rng, a fast down at the start—but on average my games go like this once survivors make few mistakes and the team knows their macro. Just my experience.