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The Forums isn't what it use to be. The negativity is too much and it's time for me to go.
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We could say the same for your interpretation.
My "interpretation" is an ironic take on yours
I'd also refer to the fact that I'm not the only one saying this, as there have been a fair few forum veterans who were opposed to downvotes from the moment they were reintroduced as a "test".
Sorry, but I'm not impressed by a "some other people also said what I said" argument. Also what is a forum veteran? Is that a person that basically lives here, but just has a couple hundred hours ingame?
The thing is that downvotes do that in a negative, and frankly rather lazy manner, whereas upvotes do it in a positive manner, that also encourage posters to make well-thought out posts.
Just statements, no explanations.
- Why do downvotes "do that in a negative, and frankly rather lazy manner"?
- What is negative about a sign of disagreement?
- Why is it "lazy"?
- Why are upvotes doing "it in a positive manner"?
- Why do upvotes "also encourage posters to make well-thought out posts"?
Furthermore, when someone agrees… I'm not sure what you would expect someone to add? If you fully agree with someone, it's pointless to just repeat their, well points.
What if one agrees just partially? What if people upvote posts just based on who made the post? You're assuming that everyone behaves like yourself, which is a bold assumption. And btw. you could just reply and say "fully agree", but almost nobody does that (compared to how many upvotes some comments have).
Did people like the bird, or the statement? We can't know it. But I already explained this on page 1.
If you don't agree, you need to say why. And not just click a button.
Who made that rule? Where can I read it? Is this in the forum rules? People are just making up arbitrary rules and expect others to follow them. Where is this attitude coming from?
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Prioritizing mental health is an absolute must! Sometimes it's easy to get so wrapped up in passion about the game that we forget to take step away from the screen. I'm sorry it's caused you some grief, I myself have experienced it in the past and also had to step away. It's totally normal.
This may seem unimportant or strange but just know there is a human reading your thoughts and experiences and I empathize with you. And that regardless of what we may disagree or agree with in this silly game, I will always empathize because I'm a person and you're a person and I never like hearing that people have been unkind.
I hope Houndmaster gets some love ASAP. Cheers! <3
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I can't believe Gabe is already over two years old already.
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Your interpretation of what's happening here is as follows:
I find it frightening that people are demanding a person should single-handedly disable downvotes. It shows that some people have a strange worldview, where whatever a vocal minority seems to have decided is immediately carried out with the stroke of a pen (spoiler: nothing has been decided).
To which I say that that's your interpretation of our request. I could go even further and say 'it's not that deep', but that feels in poor taste here. I'm not sure what you're referring to with an ironic take on mine.
Sorry, but I'm not impressed by a "some other people also said what I said" argument. Also what is a forum veteran? Is that a person that basically lives here, but just has a couple hundred hours ingame?
Ad hominem, but that aside. I should think that what defines a forum veteran has been exemplified in this very thread. Post count is an obvious indicator, though you can also ask individual users for their playtime. A few that have responded have a playtime that vastly exceeds mine, yet still agree with me here.
Why do downvotes "do that in a negative, and frankly rather lazy manner"?
I already exlained this: because it allows people to go 'I don't like this' without saying why, which doesn't help anyone. People need to be encouraged to actually express themselves.
What is negative about a sign of disagreement?
This again assumes that downvotes are only used to say the user disagrees. Personal experience tells me that people will downvote you for the most random reasons, however. Not to mention that the people caught up in the killer-v-survivor tribalism often dogpile certain posts that go against the grain. You want to know why they disagree, not just that they do.
Why is it "lazy"?
See above.
Why are upvotes doing "it in a positive manner"?
Because it's a positive thing to see your own opinion be put into words by someone else. Someone expressing the same feelings you've had, but that you've not been able to express yourself, or felt stupid for thinking. That's a positive, is it not? It's also a positive, because in these times of polarisation in just about every aspect of society, it encourages a more positive engagement with the community as a whole. Furthermore, it's nice to give and receive positive encouragement every once in a while, etc.. Quite a few phsycological positives here. The entire point of OP was that the forums have been become a negative space. What's wrong with encouraging more positvity?
Why do upvotes "
alsoencourage posters to make well-thought out posts"?Is this not self-evident? Who's going to upvote an incoherent, emotion-fueled rant? If you for whatever reason want to 'farm' upvotes, you need to at the very least be amusing. Even if you're just posting bait, you need to put some effort into it.
What if one agrees just partially?
Then they upvote, and expand on it. Or just say why they partially disagree. Nothing changes in this regard? You're on the forums to discuss topics, are you not? If you see something that you partially agree with, that means you also see something you disagree with. You're welcome to voice what part you disagree with. It's not like this is mutually exclusive.
Or even if they fully agree, they could very well just add "fully agree" in a comment. Nothing's stopping you from doing that, if you want to emphasise something. I don't see how this relevant to the removal of downvotes, though.
You reference my bird post again, so I'll just say that I am fairly confident that it is because of the bird. I'm probably best known on here for having a habit of posting birds. But people like 'em, and I like 'em. Does it contribute to the discussion? Certainly not. Though you'll also not see me spam birds everywhere. I post birds because it brings a little levity into an otherwise rather hostile platform. I don't know if I'd go so far as to say it makes people smile, but I've nevertheless had various people say that they like what I do. This bird in particular was a stand-in for a goodbye. Again, levity.
Who made that rule? Where can I read it? Is this in the forum rules? People are just making up arbitrary rules and expect others to follow them. Where is this attitude coming from?
That's… how debates function? Are we not here to discuss? There's obviously no written rule here, but that doesn't mean there's no unwritten rule. I dunno about you, but I was taught to explain myself in school. Didn't anybody ever ask you to 'clarify your answer'? They did that for a reason.
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I've always seen Gabriel as some kind of Hispanic or Mediterranean, though I think he is intended to be somewhat ambiguous due to his far-future origin.
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Forums reflect the state of the game - if the forums are too negative, it's because the developer, in this case BHVR, has been making horrible decisions time and time again, far too often.
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Fully agree. I’m tired of the anonymous bomb lobbing from people who are too afraid to reply with an actual response.
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i mean this is human nature, people are not pleasant creatures lol. i dont think its the forum thats changed but maybe tolerance levels have changed for some? Personally, i honestly dont care if my posts get upvoted or downvoted, if im insulted…water off a ducks back. If my tolerance for being insulted or hearing peoples idiocy waned or i suddenly started get emotional over a counter by an arrow i would step back like some others have done. i havnt reached that point yet :)
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bunch of haters, it’s the internet tho, I’ve learned not to care.
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In my experience, game forums almost always have a negative tone; people who are content with the game as-is generally don't take the time to gush about it on the forums, at least not for long.
One thing I have noticed, though, is that Survivor mains seem to have a pretty firm grip on the forums. Any post that defends Survivor and badmouths Killer can expect to get lots of upvotes, and vice versa for downvotes. It's kinda expected, though; by design, there should be around 4 Survivor players for every Killer player.
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The issue, downvoting maked it's way back into the interface. As far as the forum content goes its about the same as always.
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- To be honest, I've only used downvotes 2-3 times on this forum (I definitely prefer upvotes), only when I completely disagreed with something I just read... but seriously, are you so sensitive or insecure that you're upset by a downvote? Disagreements are part of the democratic system... if you let a downvote sway you, perhaps you're not so sure of what was just said/written.
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You know I thought long and hard on this the last day or so. And having receiving a (redacted) on my account . For saying these forums are dead because free speech is smothered and people who are actual passionate in the game and care for it get (redacted) we end up with this terrible place with like 15 active accounts. Same threads posted over and over with the same dog and ponie show because we care to much about how people say things instead of what they are saying.
This place cares to much for civility when rage/passion and progress are inseparable. It truly is a shame that even this mild post is most likely going to get (redacted) despite my extreme effort to color with in the lines of this place.
So yes this place is a husk. The remaining people not diverse enough to have actual good conversations and the ones who are get kicked out of the sandbox.
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There’s a big difference between responding with a good-faith disagreement and anonymous bomb-lobbing by clicking a button. I have a suspicion that some probably have alt accounts and they just spam downvotes on posts from people they don’t like. However, this is impossible to prove as the mods refuse to allow us to see who is downvoting.
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The big difference for me is about open discussion. If I post something and someone disagrees, I actually want to know why. They might change my mind, or at least help me see things from another angle. Just hitting the downvote button doesn’t do that.
I’ve had posts downvoted where I honestly couldn’t figure out the reason. If the person had taken a moment to explain, it would’ve been way more useful. That’s why I feel like a lot of downvotes often come from people who aren’t really interested in discussion, which makes you wonder why they’re here in the first place.
On the flip side, with upvotes it’s different. If someone agrees, there’s not much point in posting just “I agree” an upvote gets the message across. Unless, of course, they want to add on to the point, or they agree with some parts but not others.
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I don't mean this personally toward anyone, but I have noticed DBD players are particularly sensitive. Even if they play other PVP games that are just as gritty, something about DBD turns them incredibly soft. It gets so bad that at times I wonder how they even handle human interaction.
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Someone with common sense on forums, a rare sight to behold lol.
By the way, before downvotes I don't think people even realized how many survivors are disatisfied with dbd. They were scared to speak out and now some killers are afraid of losing their echo chamber. I'm glad to see at least some things are changing.
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That's an interesting perspective. I never thought of it like that. 🤔
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It wouldn't be like that if the company could made better decisions too
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No one thinks removing the system removes negativity. Quite the opposite. If you really had something to say, removing the voting means you can't just hide behind a cop out. You actually have to say it.
The downvotes, specifically, are doing more harm than good. I've seen a lot of people get mad because they feel their opinion is immediately dismissed, sometimes not even because of the opinion itself, but because they're the one expressing it and they might not be liked. It's more a popularity contest than anything constructive.
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They were scared to speak out and now some killers are afraid of losing their echo chamber.
Never in my years of playing this game and browsing this forum has this place ever been a killer echo chamber, nor have survivor players been afraid to complain extremely loudly and constantly.
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