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Survivors are actually ruining the game right now.
I was playing solo que today, and the amount of dc's and quits i saw were insane. Literally 4 matches back to back before I got off for the day. I don't mean to sound like "that" killer main. But it seriously is just survivors doing this. Doesn't matter how good or bad the killer is, doesn't matter if we're winning. If the game doesn't go how they want it to, if the team struggles a little, if they die too fast, or its the killer they don't like, maybe the map. There are a million reasons. But it's always a survivor who does this. I can tell from experience as a killer main for years, these killers were not sweating. And the ones who were weren't even threatening. So I'm at a loss on what's supposed to be done about this? How do you get players to stay in a match when they're so picky about what aspects of the game they wanna play they won't play it? How would behaviour even fix this? It is genuinely a skill issue. Because every single time it's the worst one in the team. The ones that hop on the same gen again, injured on death hook. One's who think u loop by camping pallets and prethrowing, confused why the map is suddenly a dead zone. It's frustrating, and I don't mean to be any kind of divisive or anything. But right now, it's the survivors doing this. I can't play a killer match, because if I win in the slightest someone leaves the lobby and now it's a free win. No fun. Can't play survivor without a 4 stack. Because we'll get left in a 3v1 with a bot that might do gens sometimes before it dies instantly.
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It never cease to perplex me why I don't see these rampant DCs in my killer matches. When they happen, they're towards the end, and don't effect the game because it's already been decided. And even then, they're not that common. Maybe one or two in a session of fifteen-ish games.
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Why should anyone be forced to stay in an unfun match? Why can't killers and survivors just accept it as a win? I don't get why its such a big deal. Nobody is responsible for anyones fun. I see killers dc if they have a hard match and just laugh it off. Why can't killers do the same?
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If devs would cater to the majority, the gameplay wouldnt be this bad at all.
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The problem OP is saying that any little thing causes someone to give up. Do you give up after ONE bad chase even if you're teams in a good position?
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People are DCing because the game is atrocious for SoloQ players, that's a genuine fact and BHVR has done absolutely nothing besides making it worse and worse. Every single match of SoloQ I've tried during this event has been a complete waste of time where the Killer is camping/tunneling/slugging at 5 gens, no wonder they don't want to stick around for that slop. The main game isn't much better, with Killers doing the exact same thing since the PTB tunneling/slugging changes weren't pushed through.
You are right though, Survivors are ruining this game, it's just SWF's that are ruining it and have been since they were added into the game POST launch. If BHVR would actually rework SWF's to be fair to play against, then SoloQ could be buffed to be near identical and then Killers could be reworked. However anytime it's even suggested, people come out to cry about "how dare you suggest that I should be punished for playing with friends" when the entire game is failing because if you aren't playing with friends, the game is unplayable.
Overall you need to stop blaming other SoloQ players, it's not their fault that the MMR is non functional and BHVR does nothing but impose restrictions on SoloQ gameplay.
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So what you're describing is, the solo survivors aren't having fun…
Shocking.
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”The majority” is people who actually play both sides. The devs should cater to those who want a balanced game, not to players who only play one side and don’t care about how negatively these kinds of changes affect the experience of the side they don’t play.
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Solo queue isn’t unplayable. If that’s true, the how is the average escape rate 40% for solo queue? I’m a casual, very average player and I have no problem escaping regularly. So many people call solo queue “unplayable” but never bother sharing their actual escape rate stats to prove how bad it supposedly is. It’s tough to take the complaints seriously when nobody can actually show stats that they or survivors in general are escaping way less frequently than the target escape rate of 40%.
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You should probably think a little more critically about the stats that BHVR releases through their own data collection lol I don't really care what you claim tbh, I think you'll claim whatever paints the game in a positive light, so I don't really take it seriously. You can go on tiktok and see clips of DBD with thousands upon thousands of comments from randoms about how awful SoloQ is and how unfun the game has become; you can go to any outlet for this game and see the same thing. SoloQ is unplayable and SWF's make Killer unplayable.
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That's a shocker people are not enjoying survivor and being playdoh for killers. What an insane shocker. Maybe they will buff killers a little more.
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Well, we've tried punishing them. DC penalties have clearly not fixed the problem.
We haven't tried addressing literally any of the underlying causes to why people might be disconnecting, which isn't always petty reasons like "I don't like the killer" or something.
But instead of dealing with the #1 survivor complaint of "I don't get to play the game if I'm found first", survivors who are frustrated by that were given the middle finger by a small, but loud part of the community, and the devs pulled the plug on everything, early even, to cater to that minority group.
So it's apparently more important, possibly more lucrative, to cater to the loud community who wants nothing to change instead of the frustrated fodder players who are on the brink of burnout. Or already burned out and haven't found a way out yet.
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The thing pushing new players away from the game would be their team leaving them all the time.
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me acaban de tunelear a 0 gens hechos, hice 2mil puntos por favor si alguien esta arruinando el juego son los killers
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The bulk of the DCs I've seen (and done myself) are related to slugging and hard tunneling.
3+ gens and everyone is on the ground rather than hooking someone. Yea, people are going to say screw this.
The player that gets unhooked and 2 others are near by or a gen that someone is working on is near, but magically the killer decides to go right after the person they hooked again. Yea, that person has a high chance of saying screw this.
We've been warning that this behavior by killer players was going to snowball, we've been begging BHVR to do something about the toxic play, but nothing has been done except lip service from BHVR and killers amping up the problem.
Y'all screamed about the anti-tunnel/slug changes that would have started to heal the game, and now you're complaining about the results of doing nothing.
Until real change is implemented to curb the toxic killer behavior this is only going to get worse.
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ngl i barely ever have people dc against me. maybe you're doing something that a lot of players don't like lol
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I'm not trying to be mean but a majority of the time tunneling and slugging is only good because the team is bad. I agree not everybody should have to sweat just to have a fun match. But the majority of killers shouldn't be getting 3-4 man slugs in the first place. Everytime my team gets slugged hard, or I get a bunch of slugs as killer, is largely because people don't want to heal or split up. Usually both. 90% of this game from survivor is not getting in a bad position to begin with. Some people do play like losers, so you just have to play better. It's that simple.
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If you refuse to believe the stats or that anyone could actually have fun playing solo queue, there’s no point in arguing with you. All I can do is tell you that I have fun playing solo queue and I escape regularly. You can choose to believe that or not. Obviously this is true for many other players, because if it wasn’t, 1) the average escape rate for solo queue would be way below 40% and 2) nobody would play the game.
We know that solo queue is the largest group of players in the game. How is the player count at historical highs if all these solo queue players are having such a miserable time? I believe there are a lot of people who feel the same way as you, but obviously there are also a ton of people who enjoy solo queue, have fun, and manage to escape regularly. It’s evident in the escape rate stats and the number of people playing the game.
Why do you still play the game if it’s such a miserable and “unplayable” experience? What is your escape rate, anyway? I’m curious to know how infrequently you are actually escaping to consider the game “unplayable”.-3 -
as a soloq survivor my last DC was a singu that had a pretty good three gen and was able to tunnel someone out before 3 gens where left i ended up just getting bored of him not commiting to chase and it was just dragging on.
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I dont think that's quite fair. Soloqers aren't much of a team, so the concept of teams aside, the info-heavy nature of survivor sometimes makes things snowball so impossibly fast that they can't counter. Some examples from my matches:
These matches were about two minutes long. Both groups failed to read my perks and they really didn't have much time to do so. The more people that showed up, the more aura read I gained from their items. The Weave symbol would have shown up on their screen but they were probably too focused on the problem at hand. One by one they came into aura range to try for a save and got downed. They wouldn't see the Forced Hesitation coming, nor do people expect Lightborn on someone running Franklin's. So were they bad? Idk, I never got to find out. I wouldn't even say they screwed up. They just didn't have a chance to try and there's no comebacks without perks.
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sorry for the unfunny comment, i will just delete it and pretend i never said it
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You saying the DC penalty shouldn't exist enforces this behaviour. It's always been frowned upon to just give up in any game over the littlest thing. I've seen people give up because they simply did not get their Deliverance since they were chased first even though they had a good first chase. Do you REALLY want to enforce that type of player?
Idk people like you is the reason WHY there's a DC penalty. You don't want to play the actual game? Good you can spend time NOT ruining it/wasting four other players' time. Not everything is about you ESPECIALLY in a PVP game. Some games simply aren't for some people.-1 -
but i will say that winning 1 out of 10 matches played and then being told i shouldnt have won even that one and only did because i got carried is... frustrating
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If a killer is using cheap tactics: proxy camping hook, hard tunneling at 5 gens or slugging at 5 gens(no counterplay btw because you dont know what you're getting) you deserve to play with bots. Newsflash people don't "DC over the littlest thing" it's because of reasons above. Tonight I had a springtrap using speed hacks and hitting me with his fire axe through a hay bale. I also had a wesker who proxycamped hook all game. You're telling me I should be forced to stay and deal with it? No…Like I said the penalty should not exist.
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why are you full team slugging at 5 gens. Like you’re part of the reason this game is so miserable.
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A bot replaces the person who dc's. It's not like they're losing a teammate. There's no ruining the game. If killers are going to use cheap tactics they should play with bots until BHVR fixes the broken mechanics: proxy camping, tunneling and slugging.
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The new abandon for being slugged out twice I've only ever gotten against Ghoul/Nurse/Krasue/Blight and I'll happily take that abandon over playing a match against any of these snoozefests.
I will never stop calling for hyper mobility to be cut down or given limitations. The game would be in a much better place.1 -
Yeah I will admit I'm loving the new abandon feature. Least we dont have to crawl around 10 minutes anymore.
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Even if I agree dc should stop and it ruins games for others, I don't appreciate loud titles with X side ruins the game. Comments under this post just proving people just ready focus on this rather than actual context.
Can we just get rid of “X side ruined game experience”? It's vulgar.1 -
Why is this such a big deal though? Help me understand. Why force someone to stay in a match? Just take the win and move on.
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Well have to admit there was quite a lot of DC's yesterday while I was playing with my friend. I would say every third game someone dc'd in one it was my friend whose game crashed.
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The game can be very unforgiving, especially for new players. I'll provide a couple clear examples quickly.
Survivor chooses the wrong generator at the start of the match and was Aura revealed by Lethal Pursuer. Gets stealth grabbed by a Killer they didn't know they were facing and nobody is coming to unhook them.
Killer decides to commit to that first chase and is now being looped at Main by a 5k hour sweat and has already lost the match.
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Having plenty of killers who dc when they don't get a down fast and no one cares. People don't want to stay in hopeless matches who would have thought.
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It's not something I typically do and it was scuzzy, I fully admit that, but occasionally exploiting a bad system makes it easier for me to talk about how bad it truly is. The point remains. OP speaks like it's the survivors fault when these things happen, but I didn't do anything skillful here. I was carried by perks. What were these people supposed to do better? There's nothing in place to help survivors in a situation like this except people saying get good. Even the 90s recovery from the ptb wouldn't have been enough to fix this. The current system is relying on killer's being honorable, and that's not enough.
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DBD is not a champions league oh my god
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Your entire rebuttal hinges on stats that BHVR releases and not at all about the experiences of the majority of players, so no, I really don't care lol
You just cycle through the typical strawman talking points and even included the lamest one at the very end. Idk, do better, pretty lame tbh, I'd rate 1/10.
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I see, misunderstanding then carry on.
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And what does your evidence hinge on? You state the majority of players but how do we know this? Social media posts and Twitch is not representative of the majority.
And what is wrong with asking you the question, why do you still play if the game is so miserable to you, what keeps you coming back? If you think the game is unplayable right now, what would you like to see to turn this around? Valid points if you are actually interested in a real discussion on the state of the game.
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People need to understand that "experience of the majority" is not a really the majority. People will always complain more of things that annoy them than say anything positive of something they like. So of course there is always people whining about the thing more as thats how it goes. In reality the "majority" rarely is anyway the majority they are just the loudest.
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You're playing an asymm PVP game. Don't like when the other side is trying to win? PVE games are right there or you can play CoD.
DC penalties deserve to exist because of the mindset "this is cheap I don't want to play against that." Imagine if every other match when you DONT get a ghoul/blight you get an actual new killer like plague, vecna etc and they DC 3 minutes into the match because you did something they didn't like so then you queue up again and get another ghoul/blight. Is that REALLY what you want to enforce?
This community isn't mature enough to handle the removal of DC penalties and they have proved it time and time again. They will NEVER and CANT ever remove them.Post edited by Brimp on1 -
First sentensce is another prime example of you gaslighting what i said. Your second sentence is literally the first ime you said something truthfully on this forum. Congratulation.
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"I ignore what everyone everywhere is saying and instead only believe privately curated stats" would have just been easier to type and more intellectually honest.
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I aint gonna hear that from people who disconnect at the very first down or hook.
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This only makes me more curious.
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Yep, and 100% proved the point I was trying to make. Why should survivors be punished for not wanting to stay in a game that is an obvious loss.
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So you admit trapper and ghostface dobt need any buffs just left as they are and survivors needs high priority buffs?
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The devs sent the message that leaving a match is okay, and here is the result.
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Thats true, and i tried to clarify I don't mean it that way. But just from observation the majority of the time this behaviour comes from survivor. I made this post after 4 back to back games of dc's against killers in winnable games. Then we're left with a bot that hides and maybe does half a gen the whole time. I'm not with the opinion that one side is superior to the other, I honestly can't stand killers who are similar like this that decide survivors are the root of all evil and make the game miserable for them just because they had a bad match. But overwhelmingly this comes from survivors. This discussion did really quickly turn into noobs yelling at noobs tho. Kind of proved the point that a lot of people just DC cus theyre angry and bad at the game.
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Yesterday I’ve seen 3 dc by first down on 5 gen. I played survivor…
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