Do you quit the game session of the day over being tunneling as Survivor??
I’m curious how players feel about tunneling and how it affects their willingness to keep playing.
There are several options to describe your reaction , whether tunneling definitely makes you quit or just strongly makes you consider quitting (meaning it could push you over the edge if other factors are also frustrating or if you are tired). Try to think back to your recent sessions and vote based on how you actually reacted then.
This poll is anonymous.
Do you quit the game session of the day over being tunneling as Survivor?? 49 votes
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Oh you don´t see the votes…
Being Tunneled repeatedly makes me quit for the day for the day.
Hm… not exactly but closest i think.
I sometimes get angry too, but this is usually gone when i am back to the menu. I have never ever actively quit a match by myself.
But if i have a bad day where nothing works i often stop playing.
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doesnt bother me much because i just counter it so its not an issue
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no I don’t care if I live or die been playing the game long enough to the point I aim to get tunneled
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Different choice:
Being tunneled multiple times makes me switch to killer.
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Hiding for hatch isn't a "counter" FYI ;)
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Good point, but we are not testing for that. Only if tunneling is and how much is enough to make you quit playing Survivor.
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I guess that means it makes me quit if I'm switching roles. But you have to account for whether people are in parties. I'd only switch if I was alone. With parties, we all just suffer together.
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Facts
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how is it not a counter? it means survivor gets to play the match and potentially escape. thats what people want right? besides i didnt say hide for hatch….my counter is stealth while doing gens so im not the one being tunneled. thats not hiding for hatch
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bro thinks hes good
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Being Tunneled repeatedly makes me quit for the day for the day.
Not just me but if my teammates get tunneled often, it makes me want to quit too. Even if I get trials where we're able to overcome it, it's always by the skin of our teeth and depends severely on luck. Enough of it gets me fatigued enough to where I don't even try any more—I either sit on gens and ignore everything else, or I stand still in chases. That's when I know it's time to log out. And sometimes that's within 5 trials or less.
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i have always said im just an average player that plays survivor and killer. which is why it puzzles me how so many people have an issue with something that can be countered
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You are making extraordinary assumptions here. The argument confuses possibility with accessibility, making the assumption that because a counter exists, it’s equally viable for all players. Example: "The average driver also CAN go above the speed limit and drive fine, so it puzzles me how some drivers have an issue that can be countered."
Just because something can be done or countered by some people doesn’t mean everyone can do it consistently or safely.
Which you should know, because I doubt every game you ever played, the Survivors successfully prevented tunneling.
So you you should it could go wrong and then you times that with how bad some players are and it should be clear how repeated instances of this would rather make people quit than not.You may be confusing yourself by thinking you are an average player, only BHVR could know that fact of your MMR.
Its common to think that, I agree, but without proof and evidence its a needlessly unknowable in this conversation.Something to think about isn't it, Even if it isnt a problem for you.
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it doesnt need to be countered consistently or safely, if that was the case it would be a very boring game. its unrealistic to expect any tactic to be 100% counterable or un-counterable. if some people cant counter it then they need to change playstyle. im not a comp player or streamer, im just an average person that plays the game. i dont excel at looping, i play soloq survivor and even i can counter tunneling with god awful team mates and i dont run any anti tunnel perks. its about play style more than anything. do i counter it all the time? no, but i do it enough that it doesnt give me any frustrations or issues.
cant imagine if killers were complaining about looping saying "i know it can be countered by changing playstyle but im going to do things my way and complain when it doesnt work".
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Imagine then if you will, if your attempts at countering it were foiled every time you try it. Would you find that boring or fun?
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i used to find loops crazy difficult to beat and boring, all my attempts to counter these loops failed…. dont hear any calls to remove loops from the game though or rage DCing because people fail at countering a looper. why? because people learn and adapt, they improve, they counter, they play the game. which is exactly what i did and exactly what others can do regarding tunneling.
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Would be cool if you answered my question instead of deflecting, I repeat it for you.
If your attempts at countering it were foiled every time you try it. Would you find that boring or fun?
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i did answer your question "i used to find loops crazy difficult to beat and boring". the answer is yes i would find it boring and i did. but as we all know, looping is part of the game so im guessing we need to learn to deal with looping regardless of how boring someone might find it. same applies to tunneling.
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No, it all depends on how BHVR wants to evolve the game. If the vast majority hated looping, then they would have evolved the game away from looping and perhaps into something else. So it all comes down to how easy and approachable anything is.
And like you already answered, if tunneling almost always succeeded for the Killer, you would find it boring.
Is it really that puzzling now???3 -
Since me or my teammates are getting tunneled a lot, don’t really understand why it should force me to stop playing the game. It’s like if I leave the match as killer seeing 4 toolboxes and 12k hours in profile. Show just started
I leave when understand my shape is bad and I’m playing like potato, to focus on sth else. Or when this game upset me by mechanics
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I don't understand why you see a Videogame like a competition.
But if that works for you fine. I just don't think everyone else sees it that way, nor is that the only way for BHVR to see it.
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I don’t understand why u see a person who just prefer challenges in a game as highly competitive. I don’t spend ton of hours practicing one move and don’t play e sport.
I don’t like routinely playing the same game without good progression, not my style. For casual part of my mindset I’m playing single player and party games
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Idk if you are highly competitive or not, but your mindset is what Idd call competitive. My apologies if you see it different, I didn't mean to say you are something you don't think you are. I'm just describing what I see.
But other people certainly play this game casually, myself included.
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Unrelated, but I played one match yesterday and it was against Kaneki. I stopped right after.
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So, if other people play in other way but it less intense, other should follow them and system should indulge only them? What they did in the game for it? It’s kinda logical that casual player wouldn’t be able to compete with person who living in this game or playing for win why you aren’t. If you are casual player, answer the question — why then presence of someone more aggressive player bother you from the start and spoils your mood, when you yourself aren’t chasing effective play, therefore don’t expecting win? Do you really expect people with meta and strict goal wouldn’t overthrow you and push you to the lobby within minutes instead of giving you endless second chances? What’s the point of complaints? Why other people should be restricted by playstyle if you don’t use max potential of the gameplay and why it should affect your mood? Seriously, I am myself playing casual matches in dbd as well. Memeing around, playing with friend, running nonetheless builds and trying to ridiculous stuff. And I don’t expect other side playing the same. If they aren’t matching my vibe, then it is, I’m not throwing a tantrum or trying to complain how they spoiled everything, because they wasn’t invited to my party from the start.
The only issue of not casual players existing in this game is the bad matchmaking. Nothing about the view of the game. Nothing about their way of playing, so maybe it’s worthy to stop calling a day around it and reminding hundreds of times that you are a majority. It doesn’t change the fact that you reinforce your view on the game doing nothing for this
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thats my point, countering tunneling has to be relatively easy and approachable if someone like me can do it in soloq with no perks. its mass laziness of people just not wanting to learn the counter so they complain hoping its removed so they dont have to learn to counter it. people say they like to loop the killer, they like chases, they like interaction. tunneling provides all of this, yet people dont like it because they fail to counter it. what puzzles me is how are they failing to counter it? why are they not changing playstyle to counter it? "because i dont want to" isnt a valid reason. its these people that will end up killing the game if bhvr went along with these demands. removing a broken element which cant be countered yes i understand but removing what little tactical element the game wont go well.
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I don't care about tunneling at all unless there's a personal aspect to it. Most people are just tunneling, slugging and camping because they want to win, not for any insidious reasons so it's whatever to me. Sometimes killers are doing me a favor by tunneling me out lol. I don't let a match ruin my night cause for what?
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I would say, the game has indulged tunnelers and tunnel enjoyers for nine years, and shredded its newcomers.
When is it others turn?countering tunneling has to be relatively easy and approachable
That's another assumption, you already admitted to it not working every time. So we are threading the same argument again.
its these people that will end up killing the game if bhvr went along with these demands. removing a broken element which cant be countered yes i understand but removing what little tactical element the game wont go well.
You killing the game for you, not them. While that aspect has already killed the game for others.
I think its a bold thing to say in the light of how many have quit.
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im not sure why your saying about not working every time…. its not supposed to work every time but it works enough for me to get 60% escape rate and enjoy the game. the ptb already had killers more than prepared to quit the killer role or the game altogether because it killed tunneling, killed one of the few tactical aspects of the game so its not just me it would kill the game for.
Why wont survivors change playstyle to counter the tactic they hate so much? even if it works 60% of the time but fails 40% why are people not even trying to counter it? why are people still unhooking in front of the killers face, not making use of the hook timer to do gens, running around trying to get saves instead of gens, not learning to loop better, playing stealthy?
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Can you just directly answer on questions instead of just blatantly demanding some turn? You didn't answer on my post
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What was your questions specifically?
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Read post again, if you don't get it
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This poll could have been designed better, a lot of implicit bias
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You seem to have three questions.
- Why should competitive players be restricted or criticized just because casual players choose not to play as intensely?
- If you’re playing casually and not aiming to win, why does facing serious players upset you?
- Isn’t the real issue the matchmaking system, not the way others choose to play?
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is kinda of a mute question in a thread about if people quit after tunneling, because it makes others want to play anymore.
It implies you dont care at all about how other players feel during games, ofc this is natural with online videogames cause there is no social contract. But any other gaming scenario idd say you should have interest in if other players at your table have fun.Indeed, why should casual players be forced out because competitive players ruin it?
Either way I think BHVR understands something needs to be done about it and Im glad.
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Because facing serious or sweaty players isnt what idd call good fun and fair experience. I have tried many times to do something about it, but try as I might I don't recall the last time I was able to foil a tunneler. Why would I enjoy that? I dont.Third.
Maybe, if you can think of a way you can fix tunneling by making changes to mmr, then you should tell that to BHVR not me.3 -
What is the bias in asking people who quit over tunneling how much is required? Honestly.
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is kinda of a mute question in a thread about if people quit after tunneling, because it makes others want to play anymore.
It implies you dont care at all about how other players feel during games, ofc this is natural with online videogames cause there is no social contract
Why player should prioritize your fun? What you did for this? Did you pay him so he has to play as same way as you? Are you friends? Are u playing in one team? Why in PvP opponent should provide fun, especially if they use meta and you aren't? You appeal to fairness — every player has the same tools and freedom in this game. You can handicapp yourself, don’t expect others to do so just because and don’t expect game doing this.
Indeed, why should casual players be forced out because competitive players ruin it?
They “ruin” it for you, because you can’t cope with their presence and win, so expect game dealing with it instead of you. Not because they breaking this game. You literally calling forced out just the way that people play differs. They don’t ask of changing core format and addressing people behaviour like you do.
This is just irrational expecting game doing a favor towards a player who pay less attention and play less amount of time, when it skews top cap. Literally, again — they playing game in the most effective play possible. You don't. It's logical you would have less fun experience because you’re more likely gonna lose.
Because facing serious or sweaty players isnt what idd call good fun and fair experience
Of course, it’s not fun, because you losing quickly. But not fair? Do they playing more serious? Yes. Do they play with meta? Yes. Do they play more? Yes. What do you expect, people making a show for you and matching your vibe and then doing everything you wish? Are they bots or sth? Fairness for you is other players matching your expectations?
Maybe, if you can think of a way you can fix tunneling by making changes to mmr, then you should tell that to BHVR not me.
I’m telling. And maybe, if your issue is game being unfun because of presence of players who treat game differently, you should ask yourself and not BHVR. Because asking for removing tunneling, you are hinting on “addressing” only killer players sweats. Which imply heavy bias and prejudice. Nothing about a game here, you just don't like specific type of players and asking devs to help to cope with emotions.
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Why player should prioritize your fun? What you did for this? Did you pay him so he has to play as same way as you? Are you friends? Are u playing in one team? Why in PvP opponent should provide fun, especially if they use meta and you aren't? You appeal to fairness — every player has the same tools and freedom in this game. You can handicapp yourself, don’t expect others to do so just because and don’t expect game doing this.
Because I'm interested in a Dead by Daylight where everybody has fun and I think BHVR is too.
I think its valid that everybody gets to have some fun.They “ruin” it for you, because you can’t cope with their presence and win, so expect game dealing with it instead of you.
I have repeated before, I have tried many times all the advice I can find on here, reddit and youtube how to deal with tunnelers.
And I think BHVR agrees things could be changed around to make others happy.I’m telling. And maybe, if your issue is game being unfun because of presence of players who treat game differently, you should ask yourself and not BHVR. Because asking for removing tunneling, you are hinting on “addressing” only killer players sweats. Which imply heavy bias and prejudice. Nothing about a game here, you just don't like specific type of players and asking devs to help to cope with emotions.
No, its specifically tunneling that ruins it for most my survivors games. Dont have problems with someone playing in ways I can or could have done something about. So ofc I would be against tunneling, I have no issue with the players.
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So you yourself admit that the issue is your inability to deal with it…
Sounds reasonable and well argued, indeed. I already told you about “everybodies fun”. You are talking about your fun only, because can’t deal with person behaviour in game. Tunneling isn’t mechanic to be changed, it’s how people play it, and it doesn’t contradict logic of the game
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Its not like your argument is good either, not caring about other people's enjoyment of the game isnt healthy long term for the game. Rather we should consider that and make changes to fix those pain points. Im sure BHVR would agree.
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As you see in your own questionarrie where u created the one option for one side there are not few people who share same mindset as me. You are not in that the overwhelming majority in which you are trying to put yourself
Don’t feel whats actually wrong with my opinion here. I’m not asking fixing people behaviour to make game more enjoyable for me. If the issue how people play the game, I’m addressing myself or don’t play the game. You doing opposite stuff here, and the only excuse you still have here is some enjoyment
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On the contrary the majority of votes have a problem with tunneling, but this is just a small sample.
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I mean, considering you created poll with one option for one side, and around 6 for other bias, these results are already pretty impressive :/
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The poll is about the players who stop playing over tunneling, what level tunneling affects that.
This isnt a poll about if tunneling is bad or good, If you think tunneling is good and cool game mechanic I can understand why you feel left out of this poll, but it simply does not apply to you. Thats why I created the no option to give an option for those players.2 -
Then why you use argument about everybody joy, when asking a change specifically for one group of players that skew other? And creating polls with highly focus on only these people?
Firstly I just answered on your post, u started to put comp tag and “idk how to share it”, using everything to bellitle different view. As much as in poll, as much as on your arguements, you focusing on one side only, so I still don’t understand why you trying to pull everyone joy arguemt here and present your opinion as highly considerated one.
It’s fine considering addressing position of tunneling and how it looks in the game, me myself wanting some changes around it, but asking completely handiccaping and preventing other people behaviour using “enjoyment” arguement doesn’t looks like well builded discussion, yet you try to present it like this. They aren’t going against game format playing like this.
Try to revert it to yourself. You playing casually - yet your casual level of play can throw the match for your teammates who tried to win. Would you find it ridiculous if they would start asking your way of play being highly punished and eliminated? Just because you make game for others unenjoyable? I had many matches like this, yet it seems I’m not running to forum demanding changing how people play the game.
Maybe we should stop focusing on way of play and consider actual mechanics, because as soon as we touch this topic, it always will be “us” > “them”. And trying to defend some “majority” always push discussion to fighting for imaginative numbers and myths trying to present personal bias as best oneThe same currently happening with pallet density changes. People prioritise what they feel over everything and biting each other unable to find a compromise
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Then why you use argument about everybody joy,
Cause you argued that we should not care about other people's enjoyment of the game. Remember that?
Why player should prioritize your fun? What you did for this? Did you pay him so he has to play as same way as you? Are you friends? Are u playing in one team? Why in PvP opponent should provide fun, especially if they use meta and you aren't? You appeal to fairness — every player has the same tools and freedom in this game. You can handicapp yourself, don’t expect others to do so just because and don’t expect game doing this.
And creating polls with highly focus on only these people?
I already answered this, there is no point in asking people who dont quit over tunneling, how much tunneling makes them quit.
I still don’t understand why you trying to pull everyone joy arguemt here and present your opinion as highly considerated one.
It is a fact that people have quit the game over tunneling, so considering that is more considerate than not considering them.
It’s fine considering addressing position of tunneling and how it looks in the game, me myself wanting some changes around it, but asking completely handiccaping and preventing other people behaviour using “enjoyment” arguement doesn’t looks like well builded discussion, yet you try to present it like this.
If that is your position, then you should try to argue that instead of arguing we should not care about other people's enjoyment.
Im not a mindreader, if you argue against other people's enjoyment Im gonna conclude you believe we should not.Im also against handiccaping Killers.
Maybe we should stop focusing on way of play and consider actual mechanics, because as soon as we touch this topic, it always will be “us” > “them”. And trying to defend some “majority” always push discussion to fighting for imaginative numbers and myths trying to present personal bias as best one.
I still believe the reason BHVR is trying to fix tunneling is because the vast majority dont want it.
But yes, having a productive conversation about what mechanics should be would be better. But if we disagree on tunneling being an issue, how constructive can it really be?2 -
I still believe the reason BHVR is trying to fix tunneling is because the vast majority dont want it.
So they also create easier killers, adding hook stages, and doing controversial changes
Are u sure they trying, or not trying to indulge two opposite sentiments in this game and that’s the reason why this game have issues?
If that is your position, then you should try to argue that instead of arguing we should not care about other people's enjoyment.
Im not a mindreader, if you argue against other people's enjoyment Im gonna conclude you believe we should not.
I argued it. That you can’t simply care about everyone, and indulging one player desire, you harming other side. You can say ten times ‘I’m not asking for handicapping’, yet your suggestion is exactly that. And you aren’t arguing your position as well. Because you contradict yourself about caring people enjoyment, when what you asking for wasn’t accepted by community considering PTB feedback. You care about enjoyment of specific people only, and not everyone, yet still try to present it otherwise.
It is a fact that people have quit the game over tunneling, so considering that is more considerate than not considering them.
Do you have actual stats? All of my friends quit for other reasons. Yet I don’t claim the people massively quitting over same as you. DCing happen even when killer not tunneling and for many other reasons.Online this year on it’s highest point, It's a sham that people are leaving en masse. Not you, not BHVR, didn’t provide stats for supporting your position. You also don’t have researchs that suddenly removing highly popular people game style won’t provoke opposite effect of what you imagining in terms of “everybody joy”
My point isn’t that you shouldn’t care about specific position. Is that you can’t argue its need when the only you have is “joy”, and it makes it looks weak and tribalistic. So I’m asking provide something else beside blatant enjoyment. Otherwise this is a dialogue of preferences over actual integrity-4 -
Are u sure they trying, or not trying to indulge two opposite sentiments in this game and that’s the reason why this game have issues?
If I didn't believe BHVR could handle this game and Improve the game, then I would have left it a long time ago.
Otherwise this conversation is running in circles now, I already said I don't want Killers handicapped. And you believe I am conspiring against competitive players. There is no way I can disprove that. There is also no contradiction in arguing for people's enjoyment, because it isn't enjoyment to take joy in someone's unenjoyment that would be schadenfreude.
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Are we playing PvP assym horror, genuinely believing you can satisfy both drastic sentiments fully…?
Wouldn't try to continue then
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We can certainly do better than the current status quo, Im not claiming this game will be perfect.
But in my opinion the game has become a lot better before and BHVR did that.0
