Here is an example of a player feedback survey that's not rigged to be survivor sided

sorry but how would you know? i uninstalled and as you can tell by name im an killer player, OP is right the survey should consider both side but it is heavily biased towards survivors which is fact.

It gives bad data and leads to what has happened now horrible and lack of understanding balance decsions devs are clearly putting blinders on with killer issues and give either useless "buff" (15 sec bloodlust) or palcebo buffs that looks like buff but doesnt change anything for killers (the big 6.1.0 patch)

My big question is still whether they'll actually read it or not. And if they do, whether they'll log it or not.

In the other thread I mentioned previous surveys where the community was very vocal on specific issues, yet somehow they went the opposite direction post-survey.

they shoud do a polling on both sides not one side regardless if it mainly survivors or killers leaving its a fair and accurate data that can give a clearer picture.

What exactly changed for killers in the 6.1.0? the faster weapon recover and break speed and less speed burst for survivors? survivors still can get to the next loop or pallet so does nothing, increase gen times to 90 seconds gen are still going faster forcing killers into tunneling & camping styles so nothing changed there, bloodlust trigger time reduce again does nothing and the perks changes either been reverted, nerfed or rework to not worth running anymore

thats how i can say 6.1.0 changed nothing for killers because they are in fact placebo buffs looks like buffs but does not change gameplay at all for killers

Don't forget nerfing endgame for Survivor, which is still ongoing. 6.1.0 determined that the final stretch of the game exists primarily to give the Killer a chance to catchup and not a final struggle between both sides.

First off, that is completely untrue. I know quite a few people who played killer a majority of the time who have quit.

Second, there are no issues killers have listed on the uninstall survey, so if they are uninstalling then the developers would have no way of knowing what their grievances are. It cannot hurt to add those as options so the devs have that information.

This game is balanced around the existence of tunneling.

If it was balanced, you wouldn't see winstreaks in the hundreds across the board.

There's zero reason for killers to purposely make bad game decisions for the sake of survivor fun, when there's zero expectations for survivors to purposely make bad game decisions for the sake of killer fun.

No, because when killers find something 'unfun', it gets axed from the game. Gen tapping, fog vials, aura blocking, hell, we even got OTR gutted just recently because killers didn't like survivors 'weaponising' the perk. And now medkit add-ons are on the chopping block, too.

'There's zero expectation', because it's all been taken care of. It's gone so far down the barrel that there've been killer complaints about survivors running away and survivors not running away, practically contemporaneously.

How much more does survivor gameplay need to be flattened, and how much worse do they need to get before killers stop trotting out the 'I can't win, fix it' argument whenever any modicum of attention is given to a problem that's been kicked down the road for nine years?

The reason the survivor complaint is so prominent is because it's not getting fixed.

The reason killer complaints aren't as prominent is because they do get fixed.

Such doble standart as always so nothing that surprise me from devs.

Its like trump vs biden debate in one station where the woman ask joe soft question one after another and which icecream he likes the most and than ask trump if he is ready for though question, such one sided option list.

Gen tapping was removed because there are 4 survivors vs 1 killer and any one of them could touch a gen for 0.1 second and undo the almost 2 second killer action of kicking it.

OTR was changed because 80 seconds of endurance was insanely overkill, even when compared to every other instance of endurance, particularly when used with flashlights or for pallet saves that do not count as conspicuous actions and cancel its effect. It still got rebuffed to be 40 seconds which is half its original value and still an insanely high value.

Fog Vials were changed because it enabled playing the game without ever actually needing to engage with the killer as it was a free escape on an infinite use item with a small cooldown that could be ready every chase.

Aura blocking I assume you mean Distortion which was changed for the same reason as fog vials above, it still works exactly the same you just can’t hide all match without engaging with the killer and actually have to engage with the normal gameplay loop to get the aura blocking benefit. You can still hide in lockers to block them though, and many aura reading perks on the killer side got changed.

In other words: They're perfect examples of exactly what CoffeeCrashing claimed did not happen/exist.

Did they actually say that? Because the reality is worse. Despite the exit survey having an option for tunneling and camping (slugging isn't a checkbox), they still decided to take an incredibly soft stance on it when it came to addressing them.

One thing I got extremely excited about is a recent survey mentioning the possibility of more content/objectives (like finding car parts). I hope they implement these things.

Context is important:

There is a dialog box at the bottom where you write in anything that isn't listed above (aka "None of the above").

Even you tried to paint it that slugging was mentioned and it wasn't. So it's not a complete list. Additionally, there are several Killer complaints in there. What do you think "character perks" are referring to? Or "matchmaking time"? Or "unfriendly communication"? Or "griefing" and "trolling"? Even unbalanced Killer powers can mean that Killers feel too weak.

Personally, I think it's an incredibly open-ended survey and just because a couple questions have a Survivor slant, that doesn't prevent you from explaining your beef without limitation. I'm inclined to lean more toward what @Firellius was saying, that it might be due to more Survivors quitting and that data being more valuable to them. And if it's not? Who cares because those phase 2 changes were pulled 48 hours after Killers deemed them too problematic. So who won out in the end?

For reals, if the exit surveys didn’t include any options for camping, tunneling, or slugging… and then BHVR said those things obviously aren’t a big problem because they weren’t popular responses in exit survey data… you would have been fine with that?

Whether people like it or not is not a reflection of whether it is an effective survey or not. You're arguing that if the shoe was on the other foot people would complain, thus that makes your complaints valid because of a hypothetical.

The purpose of an exit survey for a game is to try and get a general idea for why players are leaving the game. That means the creators need to limit the options to the things that are the biggest issues that aren't otherwise obvious (i.e. people being upset about perceived balance issues is basically a given).

Is it possible they are missing an issue? Sure, I doubt they'd even deny that it is always a possibility. But its also possible they put the options you suggest it would just take away from space from the more general options preventing them from getting an effective survey.

And for reals, are we supposed to believe that if the exit surveys were all killer-sided reasons, you would have said “it’s ok, because survivors could write it the reasons why they uninstalled”?

There's two survivor sided questions, one of which is an extremely common complaint and frequently given as a reason for why people quit. The majority are about general gameplay feel issues. You're trying to make this a killer and survivor player thing, the survey primarily seems to be focused on overall game feel which is a more universal concept and not to the specific role people are playing.

That is completely false.

Which part?

And the survey would have been better that way.

That's pure speculation. You have no way to know if adding the options you listed would have detracted form them receiving feedback on other issues that are more of a reason that people leave the game.

Of course you can - they had too much of an impact on gameplay in a negative way and were changed so now they do not and are more reasonable. You can still play the game in exactly the same way they just don’t so heavily impact gameplay.

You aren’t understanding.
They have a minimal effect on gameplay after the changes, and were changed because of how they affected gameplay prior to those changes which was not minimal.

I think it is funny that this survey goes full us vs them.

You can see this in the Ups and Downvotes and you can read clearly in the post that person X is a Y Main XD

I play most of the time survivor because I can´t play killer that much since the anxity of failing my performance as killer ruins the gameplay a bit.

But if I would deinstall the game I would like to point out some points for both sides which isn´t possible.

PS. If somebody says "there is an option where you can write down your opinion" Yeah… these things never work because there is no algorythm which is efficent enough to count these opinions.