So... when is the anti-tunnel and anti-slug measures BHVR promised is coming in...?

If its infinite so the sabbo squads with boon eponentional can abuse this hard or solo with plot twist can force it too and i doubt it will charge and be one time use so it kinda be abused to some point, not to mention the faster pick up rate the more survivors are downed isnt bad idea but it kinda nerfs hard oni and twins becasue thier powers are just slug when you can as many you can especialy oni who has more limited power and twins have no power to get across the map to downed survivor.

With strong antislug perks like exponencial or unbreakable with we are gonna live togeather + mft combo its fast pick ups and this meter will grow which means if they will hold your hooks for some time and do this few times they will have it or minimaly have half which doesnt sound strong but its basekit unbreakable, once you would reach 95% of recover bar now with full meter you will just recover fully infinitely with no debuffs so yeah its kinda busted in swf hands if they find some way how to abuse it and this we will know after some when time ptb is live.

Same with 9.2.0. ptb where one of antutunnel protection was having no colision which still didnt stoped bodyblocking after anhook with antitunnel protection and made some saves like with flashbang uncounterable because survivors could abuse it to get into your character model and drop flashbang there which was guarantee save or flashlight saves that you wouldnt get normaly were possible because of this so we will see.

Its basekit nerf to twins and some to oni which you cant denny because their whole kits are forcing palyer to slug if he wants to get something out of his power, with twins playing both victor and charlotte in chase to get one guy is bad because it doesnt work same as two forms of krasue and twing lack the ability to pick survivors if they down them with victor across the map. Oni has to cause as much damage as possible and even if he slugs less than twins he doesnt get his power so easily and downing one guy with it and picking up will make you more likely loose becasue you will have no blood to get your power and keep up unlike other killers that have their powers all the time or requirements are more easy or their power still does something which oni lacks and will be punished for being desinged to be sluger just like twins which i find bad choice and devs didnt even stated they are aware of this issue which only shows they dont play their own game that much.

I'd say as a fair anti-tunnel measure, they should have kept the "no unhook sound cue" part into the new proposed changes. Being able to hear the unhook go off would often prompt the killer to return to the hook, and thus finding the injured survivor quickly.

This is what I liked best about the original idea.

For sure, it would have been the best way to implement anti-tunnel without any form of punishment. Maybe with a 5-10 second delay, to allow the survivor to get to a safe location.

I tend to agree but I would just like to say that its pretty easy to loose survivors who are slugged if you go for someone else and commit too hard. I have kinda dropped that habit, but sometimes I get lost in orbital attempts and forget to keep track of the slug.

This argument comes up a lot, but there seems to be inherent logical flaw:

When killers find themselves in matches where generators are completed in just a few minutes, tunneling becomes one of the few reliable methods of maintaining momentum. While it may not be an enjoyable strategy to face, it often arises from necessity rather than preference.

Furthermore, if a survivor is consistently being targeted and cannot create distance, extend chases, or coordinate with teammates for body blocks or rescues, that generally points to a skill or teamwork gap rather than an inherent flaw in game design. The strongest survivor teams rarely experience sustained tunneling precisely because they know how to disrupt it through coordination and counterplay.

Basically - killers need this because strong survivors can get gens done quickly, but simultaneously its not a problem because strong survivors can counter it. How is it a necessary counter against good play if good players can also deal with it?

If strong survivors can counter it, but its one of the few choices available, the game has deeper flaws. As many people have pointed out if kill rates did actually see marked declines post the change, then the game could be changed in a healthier fashion. If this is truly the only way killers have a chance, killers should be hoping it gets deemphasized so that other strategies can actually be boosted.

Ultimately, the frustration surrounding tunneling would diminish significantly if generator progression and item strength were balanced more evenly across both sides.

We've had that in the past. Weakening survivors, or buffing killers in other areas, just leads to more tunneling.

Until then, killers will continue to use the tools available to them — just as survivors do.

Non-sequitur. The thread is about getting BHVR to make a change, not about how people should play.

I'd assume the pushback is that even if you're not tunneling, you want the unhooker as a target if you hadn't found one yet. You also don't want them to silently unhook the moment you turn your back. That definitely lessens pressure, especially with fast healing.

That being said, I'd also like the delay. 5s would have been fine.

Yeah, I never know if people are farming, griefing, or just dumb. Pretty sure it's usually option three.

Truly a who's who of the October bans. I tried really hard to walk away but...

The post that leads to a ban is usually deleted, so unless you see the post that got someone removed you wouldn't know for sure (and actually repeating a post that led to a ban, or discussing an individual in particular, is also against forum rules).

I've had a few times in the past few years where I've gone to quote a post to reply to it only for the forum to tell me no such post exists (because it got removed).

Unhook notification does make sense as a perk, yeah. I always kind of found it surprising it was free info. In some ways, they've manufactured the problem they're dealing with now. But if you just take stuff like that away, that people are used to, they'll flip out.

In terms of info, I wonder how this will go with aura read perks as well. You can't see the unhooked, but you can see the rescuer, which might tell you where the unhooked is, especially if there's a survivor healing an empty space. Perhaps we'll see a shift towards more close-range aura, like THWACK! or Darkness Revealed.

I agree smart and skilled survivors will find clever ways to manipulate this, and I think some adjustments will happen because of that. I've had survivors intentionally get downed early game so I'd think they were bad just to juice the hell out of me the rest of the match. Plenty of BMing to try to make me tunnel with DS as well. But I'm in the mindset that if you can be clever or bait the killer into throwing somehow then good for you, you outdid them. It's still a choice to chase that fresh unhook even when the game is telling you maybe you shouldn't.

Yeah, one area this company desperately needs to improve is how they say things. The wording is often to lax or casual and they should know by now that every breath they take will be over analyzed. The recent stream is a great example. They can pretend to be loose and casual and fun but they can't truly be so. It all needs to be clear, concise and calculated.

I'm actually surprised. Over the past few days or so, the games has actually felt fine. No tunneling, spreading of hooks, and fairly even matches all around. Though I have mostly played normal queue, the games has been quite pleasant.

@For_The_People was pretty surprised as well. Might be because the sweaty ones are "tormenting" the event queue, now that there is so little time left, but who knows. At least it has been a pleasant time playing, where the matches has been fairly chill, and people has been respectful in the end chat as well.