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What Is The Deal With Downvoting On These Forums?
It feels like to me no matter how accurate/factual the thing you say is, no matter how much proof you have to back it up or how basic yet obvious of a statement it is, you will have atleast a 33% downvote to upvote ratio.
I mean I could genuinely say "I think Trapper is way too weak and needs buffs" and if that gets 60 upvotes, I would still get ATLEAST 33 down votes. It genuinely has me perplexed that someone could disagree with some of the stuff people have said here, relating to both survivor or killer side experiences.
Can we please like shine some light on this? Because I feel like this is a major obstacle that prevents feedback from being seen as it should be to BHVR, as they may see something VERY correct/a good idea but see a 50/50 split on upvotes to votes and go "oh it had mixed reactions we don't wanna consider that".
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some people will just downvote mindlessly even if you may be making a more nuanced points, thing i find annoying is downvoters wont speak up about why what was said is incorrect or why they disagree a lot of the time.
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People just downvote with no valid reason a lot of the time. It’s not that serious, so I wouldn’t let something like that bother me. Just post your thoughts and opinions and don’t worry so much about random people downvoting you for whatever reason it may be.
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Thanks for the encouraging words, but I do believe it has a tangible effect as stated above. Remember that this isn't some random fan forum website but literally THE official forum website. You have any idea how catastrophic it would be if they actually based any game related discussions on what is said here and how people receive it via the voting system? That ######### would be so catastrophic for the game that…. wait a minute the game is always in a catastrophic state what the hell am I saying?
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I also wonder, especially with good ideas that benefit everyone. I remember asking if we would ever get a higher tick rate (benefits everyone) and it was downvoted into oblivion. What's not to like about the servers updating more often? lol
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Yeah idk man. Like if you look at my profile I have a 50/50 split, which on paper means I must constantly spew volatile opinions that people don't like right? no lmao I'm busy calling blatant misinformation like "Survivor has no comeback potential whilst killer can ALWAYS come back in end game" or mathematically explaining why Wesker is NOT a mobility killer. Hell I called the first 2v8 iteration very survivor sided and people lost their minds at that idea whilst half of people were going on 10 game escape streaks as survivor in it with mostly 6 or 7 man outs.
I admit this is a bit ranty, it's just a big part of what is making me give up any hope for the game. How do you get a game in a better place when seemingly the entire community wants to sabotage any hope of it being fixed by just straight up lying and doing anything other than being helpful.-4 -
I'm kind of astonished you don't at least have one ironic downvote on your post. (At least as of now)
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Down voting started losing its meaning when I saw people getting down voted for literally no reason. Someone could be excited showing a screenshot of their very first P100 and it would get down voted.
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GOD DAMMIT LOOK WHAT YOU DID LMFAO
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Not everyone is going to agree with what you're saying. People are going to have opinions.
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Also whoever said survivors have no comeback potential while killers can come back endgame was right. Killers can slug and demolish teams if theres one gen left but if survivors are tunneled out and theres like 2 people left with 4 gens left the games lost. So yeah thats probably why that statement was downvoted.
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I dont think they have as big an impact as you think. For example, the week the fog vials got nerfed there was alot of upvotes and agreement (from both survivors and killers) on posts asking for them to be kept useful because they were a nice change from medkits and toolboxes, and the (few) posts calling for them to be nerfed into uselessness were being downvoted to the point where some folks were getting upset over it. They still got nerfed into uselessness.
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Eyyyyy, there they are. Rofl.
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It's not even what I said either. Bro is twisting my words into pretzels. This is what I said:
There are no survivor comebacks as massive and common as killer ones. A killer can get 0 hooks and still get a 3k or 4k in end game and it's not even rare. Happens to me in both roles. Tell me the survivor equivalent of that. Everyone on death hook at 5 gens yet they somehow get them all done and win?
I've had matches where I've gotten 0-2 hooks when gens have been completeld and I've still won. I've never had anything close to that as survivor. The killer would have to AFK or turn friendly for a similar experience.
OP you're getting downvoted because you think your views are facts and not opinions and that everyone else is a malicious liar.
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I've been under the impression that people can downvote because they don't like the statement, even though they do agree or realize that it's true.
Like if someone says BHVR favors a certain role? I might downvote it, not because I disagree, but because I realize it's true and I hate it…
But there can be a million reasons to downvote something, but we'll never know what the reason is for every downvote…
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Downvote from me because 33 isn't 33% of 60. That would be either 20 out of 60 or 55%. 😜
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And that’s fine, but you’ll have to expand on that. Just clicking a “i dont like this” button helps no one.
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Because downvotes not about you being factually right or wrong. It’s about what people feel about your words.
You either spit actual bs, or showed arguments people don’t want to face with. Keep it simple. Some people just don’t like facing with opposite opinion or they want support opposite person on discussion they sympathise with
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I've made my feelings on down votes clear but it looks like they're here to stay, so I'm kinda over it at this point.
What I really don't like is how people can ratio a topic into oblivion by down voting it to the point that it never gets bumped up again. The discussion gets quickly buried, which seems like a counterproductive feature to have on a discussion forum to me.
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I could make a post simply called "This"
It might get a response saying something like "No, that" but it certainly would get a down vote or two just because . 🤣
Cannot take any of this forum too seriously folks. I once saw a thread asking the devs for M&K support for the millionth time (which they finally acted on) and that got down votes. Makes little sense to me.
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- I have a slightly more nuanced opinion. If I say "Trapper is a weak killer," it's understandable that many agree and others (a few) disagree for various reasons. But if I say (for example) "I've been to Badham three times today, I'd like more variety in the maps," this kind of very "neutral opinion" really makes no sense to downvote.🤣
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I asked myself the same question many times before. Either this forum is full of bots, or full of dot dot dots…. Im actually slightly more on downvotes right now, even tho literally everything I posted or commented was in an attempt to better the community. I'm a 2016 veteran, I'm passionate about the game, I want it to be fun again, simple as that.
This forum is just uber tribal and massively survivor sided. You could indeed tell them literal facts and make them go berserk on that downvote button. It's like they just want a peekaboo story out of this game, and escape at the end. Imagine any other game where the opponent is this much entitled, like "OMG you headshotted me, that is so unfair!!! stop playing efficiently!"
The difference I've noticed a lot is that killers just want a better, more balanced game, they never attack survivors, but the gameplay instead. Survivor players on the other end, are always attacking killers, wanting to punish them for their playstyle and behaviour. For some reason BHVR caters to the latter, resulting in the current situation/PTB. AFAIAC, this will kill the game slowly but surely. All we have to do is look at other games within the same genre that tried to do the same thing… just saying.
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Guys, my wife said she’s leaving my ass because my upvote to downvote ratio is too low on the internet 😭😭
My boss also found out and said he doesn’t want someone like me in his teeeeammmm 😢
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Thats why the feature should not be anonymous. If you're not gonna contribute to a topic, than you deserve to be seen as someone who misuses the forums
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Your opinion is not a fact & no one should be policed or forced to reply to give their reason for downvoting you.
There are a TON of people who lurk the forums and only reply occasionally. That doesn't mean they don't read the threads or what you are posting. That doesn't mean exclude them or take permissions away.
People disagree. That's life.
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The way people are on here for some strange reason. You could just say Hello, Morning or Afternoon and that will get downvoted
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Some of that persons comments/posts feels like they are trying to bait or something ? Idk
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One more time. Maybe someone will listen at some point.
Introducing downvotes in this forum was a mistake and they should be removed.3 -
Why does everyone care about their fake internet points
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the 33 was a random number, but 20/60 is 1/3 which = 33%, you uh, are aware of that right?
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Hi, so uh this is entirely false. I don't know how to copy a quote but this is the SECOND message you sent after I responded to you in that forum. Want the original first text entirely unedited?
"I'd be fine with this logic if it went both ways but it doesn't. I can play like trash as killer, get no hooks, and still win in end game by slugging everyone. That shouldn't be possible if my whole match was bad plays. Yet it is, and survivors have no equivalent comebacks. That's the unevenness of this argument: the punishments aren't just a little unbalanced, they are severely skewed towards killer.
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This is from YOU. Don't tell me I'M twisted your words into a pretzel if you aren't going to provide the entire context.-5 -
I also would like to shut down any arguments regarding me actually giving a damn about "muh internet points" because I really don't. I literally explain in it why I think it's a problem, that it harms discussion and prevents feedback from really functioning here. This isn't about me. If I said something dumb or non-factual or just generally inflammatory I should be downvoted so that my post gets pushed down and not bumped. That's ENTIRELY justified. The problem is as said above, I have seen people say literally the most basic things imaginable and them get swarmed for seemingly no reason.
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Some of the things that get downvoted are confusing or just weird. There are conversations I've watched where Person A and Person B were having a discussion, Person B believed something factually incorrect, and when Person B came back and was like, "You were right, my bad," that post got severely downvoted. Like what the hell. I'm not talking one random downvote, I'm talking multiple downvotes and no upvotes.
Watching things like that happen on the forums, I have no idea what downvotes mean to some people, because the standard definition of downvoting something you disagree with doesn't apply in a lot of cases. What is the point of the downvote button if the meaning of the downvote can't even be determined? Upvotes being a bit ambiguous at times is one thing because upvoting is positive. Ambiguous negative feedback is not okay: it discourages people from engaging at all.
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Lol what kinda gotcha is this? I'm saying the same thing there with different wording. Your response example was someone using Unbreakable or having a 1 minute chase when the killer is snowballing. You're comparison is not a sure win for the killer being suddenly snatched away, it's a disastrous trajectory for the survivors being somewhat prolonged. It's not even remotely equivalent to a killer getting zero hooks then suddenly winning in end game.
You don't seem to understand the difference between a fact and an opinon. "Trapper needs buffs" is an opinon. It might bseem obvious to you but it's not "accurate" or "factual". "Trapper is a killer in Dead by Daylight" is a fact.
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Downvotes are like someone saying NUH UH and refusing to elaborate.
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This whole forum feels like bait sometimes.
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I think it's perfectly understandble why people want to know why they're getting specifically negative "internet points".
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honestly pretty sure it's just people randomly hitting buttons. There are people IN THIS THREAD agreeing with lmfao but aren't being downvoted like me rn. It shows that it's an emotional thing and not a rational thing
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POV most of the fresh accounts during weekend.
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Give me a break, someone disagreeing with you is not misusing the forums.
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never forget
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I think a lot of it depends on the tone of the original poster. If the language of the original poster comes across as very aggressive, it hints that the individual doesn’t actual want a back and forth, and more so just want to vent. This can lead to a lot of upvote/downvote with not a lot of actual responses, because not everyone who posts actually wants their perspective challenged or opinions to change. That doesn’t mean that if you come on with an actual genuine question that it won’t be downvoted, because people are people and it has nothing to do with DBD. But not as many conversations are had on certain posts where the OP doesn’t really seem interested in a good faith to discussion anyway.
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This really does encapsulate the problem perfectly. "People who play games casually deserve to have fun" being a statement 1 in 5 people took issue with sums up why Downvotes just aren't useful beyond spreading negativity.
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Taking Trapper for example, as it may be herd mentally to think he's weak. The facts are he wins most games. That's not something needing buffs.
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Even if bhvr did smth to this.
It wouldnt stop people being biased and constantly whine about survivors getting a buff or killers getting a nerf every, god damn, time.
Fog-vials didnt need to be gutted contrary to what dbd twitter said.
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Down votes negatively impact your credit score. If you get too many, you won't be able to get a mortgage. These things have real consequences for the citizens of this trash heap.
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I feel like a switch was flipped recently. The amount of down votes on everything is crazy. It happened around the same time 500 new accounts with only a handful of posts showed up.
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When you're not explaining why, it absolutely is. You not actually saying what you dislike about a post is exactly why things like the current PTB's anti tunnel changes exist in their current iteration, its a lack of actual feedback. Downvoting and saying nothing else doesn't help the Devs at all when making changes, It doesn't help posters who make valid suggestions that can't be answered with a single button press. You need to speak your mind, otherwise why are you even on here? Forums are for conversing, not speedrunning through every post and basically being an unheard voice. You downvoting someone's post because you dislike their topic feels more like a bias than you actually disliking the post. How about you try explaining what you don't like instead of instantly reacting and moving on?
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People can downvote just because BHVR gave them this option. Without a reason.
BHVR supports toxicity.
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Downvotes should have never comeback it only made toxicity worse here
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Ehm, that's exactly what I commented?
That would be either 20 out of 60 or 55%. 😜
Aka 20 out of 60 is 33%
Or the 33 out of 60 is 55%.
But I guess you like downvotes so much you are literally farming them.
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