Survivors Big Break from DBD

There's far more survivor players than killers so que times won't really be impacted even if some decide to go on break.

Leave it to a survivor main to complain about not having their hand held even more than is already is. The whole mentality just feels like, "If I don't instantly spawn at an open exit gate the beginning of the game with infinite sprint burst and 7 millions pallets to annoy the killer than the game sucks and should be cancelled."

Maybe enjoy some challenge with the game. Learn to run loops properly. Appreciate the skill of good killers that now how to mind game and outplay you around loops. If you can do that then the game will be more enjoyable.

thats like saying why should bad survivors have a strat to beat bad killers but then get steam rolled when they go against good killers….. 2 examples of this…

1. survivors can sit on a gen and do nothing while team mates deal with the killer… why should that survivor working on gens thats bad at loops and bad at every other aspect of the game, why should they escape and beat the killer?
2. swf on comms, the comms alone can provide huge benefits to steam roll a bad killer but then when they go against a good blight, they suddenly struggle and say blight is op.

my point is if you apply it to one side you have to apply it to the other side or it shows double standards.

also people say the need to tunnel in high mmr when playing low tier killers. S tier killers like blight and nurse dont need to tunnel but the vast majority of the roster do need to.

what is an enjoyable game? whats fun for you isnt always whats fun for the someone else… being tunneled might not be fun for you but being looped might not be fun for the killer. do survivors care if the killer is getting frustrated by being looped the whole match and having no fun? no. i dont think survivors can complain about sitting on a gen being boring when 1 person loops the killer the whole time. gens is literally the survivor objective, not chases. you play that role to do gens to escape. if you dont like doing that i dont think survivor is for you. its like a killer complaining about killing survivors…. thats the point to the role…thats the objective.

Sad truth.

there have been so many people that play swf then try solo and after a few matches they say "never playing solo again" "soloq is rough" because they get demolished. these bad players that cant last in soloq use their swf with comms. they need to use swf to win, just like slow killers with no speed often need to tunnel. but you have just shown 1 double standard by saying poor survivors can win v good or bad killer but a poor killer shouldnt be able to pick up a win v poor or good survivors.

i have fun on gens, i know its my objective and i understand thats what im supposed to do so i do it. what ruins the game is the type of person that says "gens are boring" so they try getting chased and no gens get done. i would much rather these people didnt bother playing survivor since they refuse to do the objective they signed up for. i play to win, if sitting on a gen all match gets me the win thats fine by me.

you make it sound like being looped is the only way to make a game, there are countless ways to make a fun game that doesnt involve going in circles…. as for healthy game, killer and survivor should get treated the same way, if a killer who doesnt enjoy being looped is told "thats the game" "learn to counter loops" then survivors that get tunneled should be told the same thing "thats the game" "learn to counter being tunneled". the double standard is shown when survivors say to a killer "we know tunneling is very efficient and the best way to achieve your goal but dont do it" when a killer says to a survivor "i know looping is the very efficient and the best way to last longer in chase but just dont do it". its not fun being tunneled, its not fun being looped.

"what are survivors supposed to do instead of loop?" is often the response… dont loop intentioanlly make chases harder for myself?

well "what are killers supposed to do if not tunnel?" let the weaker survivor go intentionally making getting kills harder?

surly you can see the double standard there.

 "Why should "bad" killers have a strategy that works wonders against "bad" survivors, that is going to lead to them getting crushed later? That just leads to people rushing to complain about how "good" survivors are unbeatable."

which is why i mention swf on comms being used to win so when they play soloq or go against good killers they will get crushed then complain the killers are op and demand nerfs.

I'll try the same thing I did earlier: let's presume you are completely right about SWFs.

Being in a SWF will always keep the strength, they will likely actually grow as they get better at it. You have a clear difference between my statement and what you are trying to say. If tunneling only works against bad survivors, but then leads to killers being decimated at high MMR, its a reason to change it. SWFs do and will continue to provide a benefit if everything you say is correct.

i think if your picking survivor then yes most people should be happy with doing only gens or dont pick that role. 

I didn't ask if you think they should be happy, I asked if you think they are happy. You can't have a viable game where you just say 'people should do this', especially when it encompasses 80% of the needed players.

as killer im not going to complain about always being in chase

1: Being in chase is fun. It's easy to point out the differences between engagements levels of chasing a survivor vs just sitting on a gen.

2: Killers complain about elements of the chase all the time. Which, again, is fine.

im saying the view of survivor mains pushing for tunneling nerfs with the reasoning being "its not fun" has to be viewed the same way for killers

Unfun things are and have been changed for killers. I don't know where you get the idea that there is a disconnect here. Most recently OTR was changed on the arguments of it being weaponized, something killers complained about as not being fun.

tunneling can be a very bad tactic to use if survivors actually know what they are doing. im a survivor main these days and im doing fine with tunneling killers so i dont see an issue or a need to address it.

And as I've been saying, if true, what's the harm in weakening it for the players who aren't as good at the game? If what you're saying is correct it will lead to killers playing better against good survivors because it won't lead to them pursuing a doomed strategy.

they want tunneling nerfed because its too strong yet refuse to accept that there are survivor side things that are also too strong such as swf on comms, pallet increased, gen speeds.

You're confusing disagreements with double standards. Every individual player likely has their own list of things that are too strong or weak on either side. The fact that someone might disagree with your specific list of issues doesn't mean there is a double standard, just as a killer saying tunneling shouldn't be nerfed but SWFs should is also not a double standard, its just an argument.

to show there are no double standards the player base a whole needs to understand

I've been talking about strawmans for awhile. If you're going to discuss the player base as a whole you can basically put any argument in as its more of a concept.

if they want unfun things like tunneling to stop then they need to look at the other side and understand there are things that need changing there too

Discussing a game does require an understanding of both sides, sure. But starting from the premise that both sides right now are in perfect equilibrium is not correct. If one side has more problems than the other then it makes perfect sense for that side to get the focus of BHVR's adjustments.

but you cant say tunneling is unfun to justify a nerf and not accept when a killer says loops are unfun or gen speeds are unfun or comms are unfun to justify a nerf in those areas.

Of course someone can, just as I said earlier a killer could argue that tunneling is fine but SWFs need to be nerfed. The idea of one side having a problem does not inherently necessitate the other side having the same equal level of problem (before we even get into ideas such as what changing said game elements would have on the overall game, the difficulty of implementing possible changes, or whether the ideas you bring up are actually reflected by a significant portion of the playerbase).

i disagree with tunneling killers being being decimated at high mmr, i been tunneling for years since swf made it impossible to win without tunneling. tunneling doesnt only work v bad survivors it works against some good survivors too. not always but it works enough to keep that 60% kill rate. my killer matches have been fairly balanced when i tunnel because im getting swf teams so often.

being swf doesnt mean they will get better at all which is why so many swf players refuse to play solo, they admit soloq is rough and they just cant win. if swf meant these players got better they wouldnt have an issue in solo. they rely on the swf and comms, take them away and they cant win. low tier killers rely on tunneling, take that away and they cant win…generally speaking.

if we go on what makes players happy then we have already killed the game because its a 2 sided game. make 1 side happy and the other side wont be. players are not happy with being hooked hanging there with nothing to do…should we get hooks removed? if they are not happy then show it by not playing. its baffling that players pick a role which the objective is boring to them.

chase is fun? so no issue with being tunneled then, they are getting chased right? gens are boring but survivors enjoy chases….cant really complain about that.

i understand killer issues have been dealt with due to being unfun as some survivor issues have, like the abandon option. im not disputing that fact im talking about the clear resistance from the community regarding the nerfs that need to happen to survivors so they get tunneling nerfed, something that will benefit both sides and the game as a whole….things like nerfing strong loops or nerfing gens so killers dont have to rely on tunneling. you cant just focus on one side thats having issues when the issues spawn from the other side having issues. thats why if tunneling is going to be addressed it would need some give and take from survivors to allow it to happen. you cant just focus on tunneling, it wont work as is currently being shown time and time again with failed ptb.

What did the devs even expect?
2 PTBs with almost the same changes. Player don´t want the changes. So the changes will not come live.
Did they expect other feedback than for the first PBT? Why, when it is the same stuff. What a waste of time.

tunneling can be a very bad tactic v good survivors that know what they are doing. it can also be a good tactic…. its not 100%. it works and doesnt work which is how it should be. no tactic should work all the time but it works enough for the 60% kill rate. like i said my matches where i tunnel v swf teams are balanced close matches. sometimes i win, sometimes i dont, how it should be.

you cant just dismiss a valid point by saying strawman lol. no one is swf has to play solo? they do if they want to play the game when their friends are no online which many have and many have also said they just cant win in solo but by your argument they should be able to win in solo because they should have improved by being in swf. being in a swf does mean a bad survivor can hide out all match not getting into chases if the rest of the swf is good enough. to say otherwise is just flat out wrong.

as for doing gens….like i already said, thats the role they chose they cant complain about doing gens being boring. its ridiculous to say its unfun doing gens all match. its like saying "meh i done 1 gen on my own, im bored now, i want to get in the killers face and get chased" no lol get back to doing gens, dont like it? dont pick survivor as far as im concerned.

swf is ok, bhvr has said they wont touch swf and wont ban comms….killers have adapted, like myself, i tunnel as a counter balance to swf using comms. not a problem. at this point people should accept tunneling will remain part of the game so its time to adapt…like myself, i changed playstyle and i have no issues with tunneling killers.

survivors were opposed to killers getting something that meant it was easier for killers to get downs and the parts they were not opposed to was because they know what was given to killers wasnt helpful at all so why would they care if killers got something? its like saying survivors get 1 extra pallet per map if survivors couldnt loop a pallet more than once, its nothing. killers wouldnt care survivors get something along with the nerf because they would know its meaningless. which is the issue, give and take on both sides where tunneling gets nerfed and gen speeds gets nerfed. something thats actually meaningful and makes a difference, thats what the playbase will never agree to. i have always said the only thing that will stop me tunneling is if i have time to spread hooks…. you can give me a pathetic little haste as my reward but if it doesnt mean i can keep up with gen speeds then im going to tunnel. so far not one single survivor has accepted this, its been a unanimous NO. as a player base, survivors only have themselves to blame when they dont listen to the reasons and solutions put forward by the tunnelers.

already don’t play the game tbf

stopped playing after first time they scrapped the changes they delayed content for and just come back for modifiers and events … and now they’ve did it again lol whilst nerfing the only surv items i use (syringe and styptics)

— i used to use a bigger variation of items but nothing is as reliable as a syringe and styptic in solo q.

triple sprint burst just isn’t appealing to me and id prefer to actually interact with the killer rather than completely avoid them by sprint bursting away every time they get a chance to chase

Fr killers get nothing but perks nerfed meanwhile survivors have so much more broken stuff.

I seem to recall plenty of 'killer mains' complain about Haddonfield lack of pallets, as well as praising BHVR for giving it a well-deserved buff.

Heck, go look at the polls of the pallet changes if you want to see what the overall feedback of what both killer and survivor mains thought of the pallet changes here:

They did, actually. Well, the maps that were changed anyway. Go check the link I posted again.

That's untrue though. The nature of polls pulls from both sides. And if you check the polls, the numbers don't lie on what's a problem and what isn't.

Set aside your us VS them for a moment and actually read the constructive feedback, not the kneejerk posts and maybe you'll understand what both sides have issues with.