Well killer whining has done it again.

and still survivors will complain while still Qing up match after match and refusing to actually counter such tactics. when will people learn? tunneling will always remain so my advice is learn to counter it or get tunneled….or just dont play.

Y'all got like 30 pallets on some maps now making it physically impossible for half the killer roster to catch you and you're still crying?

for there to be NO counter it would mean tunneling would work 100% of the time so killers would be getting 100% kill rate which i know killers are not getting 100% kill rate.

i play almost exclusively solo survivor the past few months and im countering tunneling pretty often.

the counter for when your the one being tunneled….

1. stealth….killer cant tunnel what they cant find so if you remove the chase before it starts, problem solved.
2. when in chase, lose line of sight. there are perks that help with this.
3. practice looping, if the killer spends too much time looping you, they will either give up chase or they will end up losing the match.
4. take the chase AWAY from the gens so others can do them while your being chased.

when your not being tunneled…..

1. do gens and do them fast.
2. dont unhook too soon, use the hook timer to your advantage to do gens then unhook just before 2nd stage.
3. dont play too altruistically, help the team if it benefits you. if you can do the last gens while the killer is tunneling someone out then do the gens and escape.

if more people did pretty simple things that meant the killer would end up with 2k at best then killers wouldnt tunnel so often because it wouldnt be worth it. If no gens are being done while your being tunneled and on hook then thats an issue with your team mates, not tunneling.

All I see is just someone who I guess plays survivor mostly and not as killer against competend survivor teams to whine about some killers wanting something too isnt just one sided hypocrisy.

enjoy the challenge then :)

All depends who you play against thats it and especialy with what you play (perks,addons,items or killer) and where you play (like trapper will suck more on erie of crows more than on midwich) so it all depends, if you will play killer against 20+ thousands hours swf it wont be easy especialy if they are coordinated and know what they are doing or as killer against few hours survivors while having few thousands of hours so its not so easy for everyone same (someone playing mainly ghostface against very good survivors will have different experience than someone playing blight against those same or simular survivors). So in short this hasnt simple answer its all about many circumstances that determine this in the end.

people have been asking for buffs for D tier killers for years, killers like trapper lol. who gets buffs? literally every single killer other than trapper.

I’m playing a lot of survivor. And often get tunneled. Believe me, it’s possible in Solo.

Maybe you should share with your gameplay so we can see the level of unfairness you complaining on so much.

1: We're having the same issue as in the other thread were you aren't looking at statements in the context of the thread. I'm responding to Zuiphrode's point that survivors should be happy with the pallets they got, and I'm pointing out a killer example to show why that doesn't make sense.

2: Given this argument, what reason is there to post on a discussion forum? Just either accept what BHVR throws your way or stop playing.

Might just be me but I really dont understand how people still believe that complaining about changes has any sort of influence on what BHV does. It just isnt how they operate, they even stated that themselves multiple times during Dev Diarys and proved so in the last couple of years.

If the devs decide that after the next PTB using dead Hard will also autocomplete 4 gens then that is the changes that will make it into the game. And if they decide, they dont want strong antitunnel, we dont get strong antitunnel.

So people should honestly just stop always pointing the fingers at the other side cause it makes 0 sense. If you want to be mad that you dont get strong antitunnel, be mad at the devs and point at them.

Honestly, its kinda weird how im sure if the ptb stuff went through they'd say the same to some other killer posting their disagreement with it

They weren't good mechanics though anyone who has played the game for 5 minutes looked at those ideas an realised how bad they were and how they would be abused.

my point exactly, assuming that was a tunneling killer, p100 and got 2k. hardly a winning strategy.

then maybe survivor isnt for them? or practice losing line of sight, stealth.

I want to make sure I understand everyone's perspective, and for you, I believe you want to continue doing things in the game the majority of players consider to be damaging. Tunneling/camping/slugging has been a thing forever. It wasn't complained about forever, but it gained traction.

My theory is with more players coming to the game, more 'types' of players come. Now, we have too many 'competitive/win above having fun' types that its just mixing oil and water, and now BHVR has no idea how to fix anything, only band aid and forget.

We can all keep arguing about one side or another, but if you are, then you care very little about the health of the game, only your own stimuli from dbd. That's all fine. But arguing one side or another is like yelling into the void. Go for it! Feel better! Your thoughts are as relevant as everyone else's that think like you.

To everyone who thinks about both sides and not trying to keep tempers flaring, cheers! Feels like you have the big picture in view, not just one side or the other. Feels like a cesspool of fragile ego and toxicity. If only BHVR would use logic and intelligence to make changes instead of pure data and -insert X main-.

Anyway, here's hoping the game just… gets better. Hope people can enjoy the game instead of trying to make it miserable.

Allow me to adjust: Well, whining has done it again.

Not every killer main wanted all loops to be 50/50.

Most of the killer roster is very strong? No.

Camping change went live, no?

And we got at least unhook protection extended and I wouldn't say extra 5 seconds is low value. I am used to playing with Babysitter, so that helps a lot.

Pallet change is 100% an issue, but you should blame devs for this one, that has nothing to do with killer mains. People just asked for revert of previous change on most of those maps.
It's definetly devs fault for using nuke on pallets instead and creating this buggy mess.

i can do it, im talking about other people that complain about tunneling but cant win without looping.

my point is we do what we need to do, some need to tunnel, some need to loop, some need to stealth. i dont care what people need to do if it works for them. but when someone says "learn to win without doing this" then i fire it back at them, "you try winning without looping" or "try winning without any perks" or "try winning without comms" (if they regularly use comms).