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Wesker vs Houndmaster vs Plague

DBD78
DBD78 Member Posts: 3,583

I want to make a new killer vs killer thread but this time using three killers. So..

How would you rate these three killers in terms of strenght? Who's the strongest and weakest?

And how would you rate them regarding most fun to play?

I would go strength: Plague as the strongest and Wesker weakest. But they are very close and that is why I chose them to make it interesting.

Fun to play: Houndmaster is most fun no question about it unless a certain bug appears. I really like the chase power with the dog. The other two I have to say I'm not a fan of playing either but I rather play The Plague so Wesker is last here, again.

I can add as survivor Wesker is most fun to play against out of these three ๐Ÿ™‚

Comments

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 22,854

    Wesker clears.

    Plague has more boom or bust potential. She's either completely oppressive or ineffectual. Wesker is consistent, you know what you're gonna get.

    Wesker is much more fun than either of the others. Far more engaging gameplay, he also isn't bugged to hell. Massively rewarded for learning his techs.

    Like you said, he's also actually fun to play against too.

  • jesterkind
    jesterkind Member Posts: 9,483

    I think they're pretty close to each other overall, so it's an interesting comparison.

    I do agree that Wesker is more consistent than Plague in that there's lower risk, but I do also think it's possible to reliably get Plague to outperform him, so I would give Plague the win for strength but it is quite close. Houndmasterโ€ฆ it's hard to rate her because she barely functions, but I am a believer, I think she's a top tier hidden beneath the bugs.

    Fun to play for me would be Houndmaster if she worked, but I do find her bugs very frustrating so of the three probably Plague- I don't play any of these killers much but I've never been a fan of the dash gameplay.

    They're all pretty solid killers minus bugginess, though. Definitely in the upper tiers.

  • fussy
    fussy Member Posts: 2,099

    If we ignore insane amount of bugs, Houndmaster is just x10 times better Wesker. Like in every aspect, except infection.
    If Wesker could control distance on first dash, had faster vault, could make another dash after vault, slide textures, had faster m2 charge up, could start dashing while facing fall, had build-in info and, most important, having mobility, what Wesker doesn't have at all. Like I play her a lot lately and I don't understand why I should choose Wesker over her except more cool looking.

    Plague is strong but she depends on so many things that I don't even bother to rate her. She can be A tier in one match and C tier in another easily.

    So both strenght and fun for me: Houndmaster > Wesker >=< Plague

  • tes
    tes Member Posts: 1,143

    Plague and Wesker are too different for me. I just find them on same tier considering the average potential. On higher level Wesker maybe better. If you know about actual map control and can allow yourself playing โ€œnastyโ€ Plague is outperforming. She was born for securing hook stages. If you play without it, she isnโ€™t consistent.

    HoundMaster doesnโ€™t exist for me until BHVR will fix Snugโ€™s AI. Donโ€™t want judge broken toy that never released its potential.

  • I think it is very hard to compare killers which function completely different.

    Things like this to me only make sense when you define certain killer "classes" and go from there.

    For example:

    • Stealth (Wraith, Ghostface)
    • Dash (Wesker, Blight)
    • Ranged (Huntress, Deathslinger)
    • Debuff/Torment (Plague, Doctor)
    • Hybrid (Dracula, Vecna)
    • Chase (Xenomorph, Clown)
    • Map or area control (Knight, Trapper)

    Something like that. Comparing the classes also seems hard, as it depends on what you enjoy most. A not ideal meta killer can still be strong when someone passionate enough learns and improves with that particular killer and specializes.

    For me, Wesker would be Dash and overall decent, while Plague would be Debuff and probably the best in that category. Tbh I don't even know where to put Houndmaster. Maybe Chase as she can lock down loops very effectively with her dog (if he listens). But any way, she is decent at best.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,011

    Plague is strongest with her addons that carry her to top she is deffinitely stronger than wesker.

    Wesker is second in terms of power here, he doesnt beat plague in strenght even with best addons but he can be stronger just only issue is the wesker player needs to have bes addons which are golden egg+ some other good addon and meta perks and key part is he must to be able to pull hug techs,skini birds and instahugs with other techs without any problems to get survivors offguard but in reality there isnt much weskers that can do that and he is very popular so survivors are more used to go against him than other killers such as plague or haundmaster.

    Houndmaster would be higher (in power and popularity) but her inconsistence with bugs and her powers not working as they should plus her last nerfs that made her more fair but her bugs stayed she just isnt that reliable as wesker or plague and that kills her great potencial to be one of best balanced killers right now so untill her powers are fixed and will work as they should and most important when they should she will be quited bad.
    Houndmaster is one of few killers I dont play and its because of bugs like sending dog to gen takes ages to get that comand, dog is getting stuck or he can stop work untill you do some action than unbugs him like picking a survivor, dogs trail when he is patroling is sometimes longer than it should be buggy, when he is pulling survivor he sometimes goes under pallet from your direction which is annoying and many other bugs that happen with houndmaster made me stop playing her I rather play knight than her because he has less bugs and is more relaxing but weaker than her.

  • karatekit
    karatekit Member Posts: 195

    Bugmaster obliterates that list if they fixed her bugs. It would be really funny if devs dont fix her bugs on purpose to keep her unpopular, because she is a solid A tier top 10 killer. You cannot loop her unless she misses and her mobility is decent.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,011

    She is low a-tier if her power worked as it should, she isnt that strong her dog is easy to doge because his hitbox is small and she has smaller time window compare to wesker plusy you can just camp pallet to wait and stun the dog even with killer, I still think she would be stronger on average than wesker or same but its realy hard to tell because all those bugs hide that (she was better before her nerfs but now she lost some power).

  • SoGo
    SoGo Member Posts: 4,182

    For the peace of mind, with Wesker you don't have to rage over your power staying on the other side of the map watching grass grow.

  • SoGo
    SoGo Member Posts: 4,182

    It would be funny if we discovered Twins and Houndmaster being bugged to hell and back was a deliberate ploy to keep them from being S tiers.

  • ImWinston
    ImWinston Member Posts: 639

    I totally agree. Comparing two killers that are completely different in gameplay (e.g., Wesker and Plague) is impossible. The only thing you can do is say, "A is stronger than B."

  • DBD78
    DBD78 Member Posts: 3,583

    That is what is fun with killer tier lists etc they are all opinions but one killer has to be the strongest of Plague and Wesker and peoples opinions is interesting to read. The fact that it is "impossible" to find the right answer is why it's fun to talk about just like speculating about the universe and other things we can't 100% know is correct. Yet everyone is sure their opinion who is the strongest is the right opinion ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

  • 100PercentBPMain
    100PercentBPMain Member Posts: 2,722

    if we include addons and are just seeing this from a perspective of a sweat lord, the Plague clears them all. prayer tablet and iri seal is too much for people to handle. I can't play Plague rn though because Fearmonger is a staple for being a chess merchant.

    why interact with survivors when they can come to you and interact themselves to death? Wesker has to, like, play Dbd and such.

    Wesker is too fair with 4% hinder in this economy. that said, Wesker is probably the most well rounded pick. I just prefer to dabble in extremes.

    I prefer cats.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,011

    Agreed plague is so carryed by her addons and the fact not many teams that lack the coordination wont have any advantage (dont forget her pools got buffed when they fixed killers power object spawn priority instead of chest with springtrap and this effected plagues pools making them closer to gens and not somewhere at the end corner across the whole map so she has less distance between her pools). Wesker is most well rounded but I still think many people overbuff him in their eyes he isnt that strong, not without egg and knowlage to be able to use his techs effectively to get around edges of loops you would normaly didnt (not even with eggs duration but only with hug tech to get in time to line your dash) or catch many survivors off guard (no one will expect wesker who is leaving you on loop to the just dash into it and instahug it to get you, especialy the first time it happens to you against that wesker), another thing is his infection was over nerfed with the hinder in my opinion (4% is joke compare to 8). Houndmaster would be probably strongest on average from these three but we cant know untill she is still bugmaster (the number of times your power doesnt work in the match where it depends is so huge), she would be good even maybe better than wesker (if we dont include his high end techs from his mains that can get even comp survs with them off guard) but her bugs just killer her potencial and its kinda sad, thats why only 10 killers play her.

  • CompetitifDBD
    CompetitifDBD Member Posts: 800

    If Houndmaster wasn't so buggy to the point she's more of a B tier killer, she'd clear Wesker and easily Plague.

    Against good survivors, plague is powerless outside of permanent injures.

    Wesker is good with his short cooldown, but falters with the over two minute infection time. Critical infection is a useless mechanic is what I'm trying to say I guess.

    Houndmaster has consistently high mobility with zero cooldown on search command, and a very short cooldown on chase command, which can easily be launched back to the killer to trigger cooldown faster. If it wasn't for her bugs, she'd easily be the best of these 3.

  • karatekit
    karatekit Member Posts: 195

    even at the top level i think bugmaster still is a far better killer than wesker. Wesker has his techs and houndmaster has the dog. The only counter i know of to the dog is camping the pallet. You can predrop against wesker too. But the dog is imo overall better because itโ€™s got a shorter cooldown, you can curve it around los breakers, and if your aim is on point, you can get two taps like deathslinger but better. Plus, her mobility is just straight up also better.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,011

    She is better if survivor doesnt camp pallets which is now way more easy but the bugs, dog search doesnt work as it should especialy if you point on gens it doesnt register them, dog on search takes random longest path it can, her attach mode with dog is buggy dog gets stuck on random invisiable textures and even there is still bug where your dog doesnt return untill you make some action for me breaking pallet didnt helped I had to as pure m1 down survivor and pick to unbug it so she would better if her power worked but thats wet dream every houndmaster main wants. Dog is easy to doge it has same or even smaller hitbox then wesker and on rebound (second dash after first from dogs pov) there is short time window, slinger I would say has stronger antiloop (he had even better but now his redeemer gets stuck into inviciable textures where before he could hit you even through small gabs and holles) but she can still has more utility in for of being 115 speed and having some mobility plus stealth (if her dog is in search mode it has its lullaby but when she is in its lullaby range she has no terror radius how do I know that well I got burned on indoor maps with this so she has some stealth as freddy in his dreamworld he has lullaby too instead of normal tr) and second thing is her grabs against endurance survivors are shorter than slinger (unhook protection especialy) but when she grabs you with her dog she can even break pallet or kick a gen sometimes go for hit on other survivor who was next to you and return to hit you because dog is still holding you, she is better than slinger by having more things in her kit slinger is just 1v1 and thats all he has and she would be better than wesker if she wasnt more of a "master of bugs" than houndmaster.

  • karatekit
    karatekit Member Posts: 195
    edited November 25

    I just learned of something new and honestly it's crazy that i havent thought of it before. You can use the search command, launch the dog a little bit far but not specifically to a generator, and you can use the insane speed boost to catch up with survivors. You dont even need to launch the dog and land it. It's so disgusting how powerful this killer is. Try it yourself

    Hit a survivor, then use the search command to catch up with them. Switch back to chase command when you're at a loop. She might actually have one of the strongest powers in the game.

  • Abbzy
    Abbzy Member Posts: 2,011

    I tryed it fw times but then I got game where i got 3 bugs (even loosing dog for minute) and then survivors run oposite side but its still good thing many people doesnt expect.