Please stop telling survivors to learn how to loop!

Sorry as well.

I have been looking for exactly this for a little while, surprised I didn't think to check old broadcasts. I will be watching in full later but did a quick scroll through. Day one definitely seems to be dominated by survivor but day two seems more balanced, will have to see if they changed something up for that day. A little surprised by the unknown/doctor 4ks (not by blight lol).

Truth is, I do not mind being tunneled, I can handle it, I don't always make it but oh well (unless they only get it because of them having bad ping, then its just bull). However, I have had too many friends drop the game because of it, yes in their case its often a skill issue, but when its happening in an event queue at five gens multiple matches in a row I can't really blame them for calling it and yes, we are talking hard tunneling of the first hooked survivor multiple matches in a row. In one standout match the Vecna had zero gens completed, me in chase already injured, and flew back to the hook half way across the map to tunnel, the last survivor was in the void getting a crystal. Zero gen pressure.

I think its just too easy to play like that and it leaves whoever is left in a most likely unwinnable match just waiting to die, that isn't fun and it happens way too often. Killers have way more snowball potential than survivors do, the match is often (yes not always) winnable right up until they end for them, survivors just don't have real comeback potential.

The problem is that the survivor wincon is personal escape and this imaginary badge of honor people want you to accept for getting your teammates out is supposed to be enough, even though all you get is MMR loss and another death on your record no matter how great you were. It's even more frustrating when it was a hard tunnel, because you know it could have been a 4e. Meanwhile, someone with a hatch offering can rat in locker and get no MMR loss and an escape on their personal stats while being skillless. The game doesn't properly reward survivors for skill.

the counter is preventing it before it starts. just like a counter to noed is clear the totems during the match to prevent it activating at the end. or predropping pallets, its preventing whats to come. losing line of sight while being tunneled is another way to counter it

delaying it is all thats needed. delay it long enough for gens to be done. less killers would tunnel if it meant they got 1k or 2k at best.

I think it is annoying to get tunneled but looping better does have a big role in it as in the pallet density update (before the 9.3.0 and there even now still more pallets than before) required no skill to loop killer and windows of opportunity turn on auto-loop mode and if someone still struggles with them it's their problem but I see what you mean and what we should tell survivors is to know how to avoid getting tunneled I have three main things that make me tunnel 1. When they use anti tunnel perks like DC or just body blocking of the hook 2. They should try to actually hide when they hear terror radius when they are death hook and when they are the only person I see I have not many choices 3. The gens speed is to quick so I better get someone out of the game so going for death hook survivor would benefit me because they are the weakest (showing they should loop better but hiding it's all they need)

Well the best example for this topic is seeing survivors in 2v8.

I wrote it from time to time that I am buffled that Survivors in 2v8 are going down so fast to a single Killer (not both) Chases last like 10 seconds from full health to downed.

When you play Killer and see many Survivors crouching in plain sight or the biggest part of the "looping" is standing in a pallet than you can say there are many survivors which should try to learn how to loop.

People have said enough in this post but, If I may… I'm a bad survivor, decent at best, but even I can loop for a good minute any killer besides nurse. If I'm being tunneled, I'll make the killer chase me to the other end of the map, where my teammates aren't doing gens, and try to take as much time as I can in the chase. Is not rocket science, you just need to learn to look back and need to learn checkspots.

Also, try playing some killer my dudes (for real, not just "jump into one killer game, get a 4k since your killer MMR is garbage and come here to brag about 'how killer is easy'"). I can loop (at least a little bit) because I am a killer main, I can take a guess what I'd do in a situation as killer and decide what to do as a survivor. If you're playing just one side you're the one to blame by being bad at the game. Sorry but it's the truth.

It is ONE of the things that combats tunneling, but it is not a full solution.

The survivor in chase still likely dies, and has their experience ruined. Unless you are a god-tier looper.

It definitely is not a good argument for tunneling killers.

I agree with that for sure. MMR is tracking the wrong things.

killlers should learn to Genrush

I wouldnt call it "separating skilled killers from rest" because you have one big issue here the one of best killer players from whole DBD through the world are comp players so why they tunnel, its because its strat that works and DBD has huge rng where many things depends like map,perks,items,addons,killer (which one ghost or blight its huge difference one can go for 12 hook game and other will be glad if he gets even 2k), many things are unknown so makroplay is hard and its not always possible option if you want to have chance for win so its not always possible to win without tunneling thats like saying "skilled survivors doesnt repair gen with two or three survivors on it but only one" but logicaly when there is less gens and some needs to be done fast before killer comes there and regreses it they will group up on the gen to do it faster its logical and most effective and easiest solution solving and countering many problems same as tunneling.

Comp players aren't a good justification in my opinion. If they're playing for win streaks or tournaments, of course they'll always choose the safest option. Tunneling and doing gens aren't comparable. If a gen is at 97%, grouping on it is the smartest move, especially when it's the last one left. Time is against them, the killer has no reason to leave, and regression perks can drag the match out even more. That's simply playing the objective. Claiming you can't win without tunneling just admits you'd rather skip the parts of the killer role that demand awareness and adaptation to RNG.
Survivors aren't perfect. Their mistakes can take the whole team down. It's not impossible to win while playing fairly.

Good loopers or survivors that know where is strong position for them and run there (shack,main building) are way less tunneled by experienced players because they know fallowing this survivor and spending limited time on him is best way how to get gen rushed.

Sometimes killer is forced to tunnel right like two hours ago I had game as springtrap where one feng was following me and sabboing hooks problem was the other two survivors went into corners to get downed and there is like 1 hook in 32-40 meter radius from next so in short this means she would made me loose some hooks stages that I needed for progressing in my objective and for pop so I had to tunnel her (it wasnt pure hardcore tunnel hooking her three times in the row but two times it was) so in short I downed two survivors that I couldnt hook because of this then I went for feng because I knew getting her out will solve most of my problems, hooked feng and then other girl twogens were done and third was on the way so then they groped for heal and I choose feng that was already healty (she bodyblock or tried for it annyway which is another nice way how to force killer attention on you, just bodyblock when its needed and not all times where you dont need to because it can cost you a lot more then if you didnt) and tunneled her out and the game was won but they nearly done last gen, if I had huntress instead of springtrap the it would be gg by this time because having no mobility would be huge difference here.

Sometimes killer must slug and tunnel especialy if survivors are moking hooking harder to nearly impossible (sabbo,going under pallets, flashlight saves etc.) then sluging and tunneling the problematic ones (if the sabbo guy is good but there isnt full team doing it then its better to focus on him or flashlight saver if you have problem with them but can you down then, if you cant down them then injure them and focus on more easy to get in chase survivors its simple and effective for these kind of situations).

But ofcourse the never tunneling knights here that are never tunneling and getting 12 hook 4k games will tell me how to do it against good survivors with mediocre and weaker killers. I had many games where I didnt need to tunnel and I didnt but it was in 99% against survivors that were worse than me and it was easy to spot it that they are knida below skill and experience of survivors that are on my or abaowe my level (the ones I get most of times and I cant be treating them as gentleman because they doesnt play easy for me to make it fair game, they go for win and Im doing the same if they pull more hardcore strats against me from start then Im doing the same its logical).

For killer the goal is to kill survivors there wasnt anywhere stated how he must achive this if it was the unwanted way devs would fix it or made it impossible or super hard punished like by loosing two gens already (same we can see on face camping where devs didnt want for killer to sit infront of hooked survivor so they put the anticamp meter there to make this option of getting kills almost unplayable if tunneling was same unwanted problem in devs eyes the same would be done with it alredy few years ago).

Survivors goal is to do gens and open gates to escape, killers is to kill survivors and option to go after same survivor is still there (if devs didnt want it then the unhooked survivor would be immune to all damage for some time until he does some conspicious action or his time runs out but this isnt the case), so tunneling is still option I too dislike the Hardcaore tunneling which is in my opinion going straight for one survivor three times in the row ignoring others (I understand it if you would chase one guy and then you were on last gen or last two then I kinda understand it its most valid option but doing it from the start thats not much nice but I cant denny its effective).

Thanks, and nice Thanksgiving to you.

Might just be me but I'm guessing that the pallett density nerf is in preparation of the anti tunnel system that got recently scrapped cause of the backlash. After all if the m1 killers stand more of a chance cause of less pallets a stronger anti tunnel system might actually be viable

• Forget it and move on to the next game. The killer is just trying to piss you off. It's just a way to be toxic and claim victory