So many chaotic decisions

Have you ever tried playing against the old one? The endurance effect was pretty broken in chase and the self heal meant you could get unhooked, pop the self heal, and go work a gen and lose 0 gen efficiency. You gained full 24 seconds of efficiency on a single addon. Now imagine that on 4 different survivors. No perk, or addon, or anything on survivor side added that much time efficiency.

Keep in mind that pain res, a killer perk that is generally seen as one of the better gen perks, adds 18 seconds of efficiency 4 times.

They were ok until whole survivor team run them against m1 killer, then it was hell to deal with same with styptic until whole team run them they were kinda fine and saying its easy to deal with well depends which killer plus syrange was used most (from my personal experience) with addon that gave survivor 5% haste for 20 seconds so basicaly he poped medkit and had stronger mft with autoheal and deal with it as m1 killer you cant get him easily if he can loop and if you dont get him in 15 seconds he will be fully healed, simular with styptic if the survivor used it behind corner and run into you or used it somewhere where was pallet then this you cant wait because even if you do the survivor will be in the safe location, only unexperienced killers would hit you when you used it in the open and didnt wait 5 seconds (or meta killers such as blight that could catch you and down you right few seconds after they hit you).

You can easily force it kinda like dead hard vault window or pallet and use it behind corner many killers will m1 you (many of them dont spot your medkit is missing) or if you would nearly didnt make it to the loop you want or wasnt sure then pop it and its guarantee you make it to safe are (unless killer has some mobility and can bodyblock you but there isnt many killers that can do it and even if they can this doesnt work on every loop) its just different dead hard kinda its easier to use more than dead hard but it has easier counter unless srvivor knows how to use and most important where to use it (just like you need to know when to use dead hard because every killer that expects it in open can bait it but right when you are in pallet or when you are infront of window those are situations where killer must swing or go through/around and thats when dead hard is most effective).

I wasnt speaking about current version but i thought its easy to understand it maybe I should point it out more.

The new I get its trash but old one wasnt so bad just second best medkit addon and probably second best survivor addon right behind syrange.

Why you so agressive, this is what you posted and asked

Enlighten us. When would you use the Styptic Agent, the purple Add On, to get value out of it which isnt outclassed by other Add Ons?

Did you mention somewhere its about current version of sryptic???? Hmm no and from where you get I act "higly and mighty" (I like your imagination btw), I never mentioned Im good at using it I dont used thes addons because when I did game was way easier and it felt cheap for me just because of powerfull addon, you wrote they werent good before (fine so they didnt need nerf) i said they were if you knew how to use them and when they you ask How to use them? Enlinghten us…. I wrote when and why and then you go full attack after some "snap".

The bhvr sentence, yeah what a seer arent you, knows whats best but after comment he gets and asked for goes full agression what a nice way to debate.

I know they changed them and I know styptic is realy bad now but syrange is still good in simular way (now you arent healed but get to use your sprintburts or any other exhastion perk again which has probably same effect on killers, strong ones with good mobility doesnt care as before and weaker ones are still having hard time fighting against this but in my opinion current syrange is better because if survivor was healed m1 killer would have to hit him again to injure him and he got second chance with one more health state and sprintburst from injury so now he just gets only sprintburst and not second chance in form of another health state, problematic is this mostly due to another perk having same effect which is bloodrush so you can have three sprintburts).

All I agree on is that new version is bad for its rarity (it looks they didnt spend enough resources to come up with something better but same problem has pinheads changed addon).

Why you acti so all knowing and keep trying to get me claim that you have right, its starting to strange.

In what way

Not sure i follow, sorry. Someone was complaining about how strong the add-ons can be in certain circumstances, and my point was that people getting value from their add-ons should be expected. Particularly so for the add-ons that are the hardest to find and cost the most. That goes for both killers and survivors.

I think the entire concept of altering your strength with consumables in a mp-game is kinda bad design.

Altering your playstyle is a fun mechanic and even addons and items everyone can bring every game (bc of their lower rarity) could boost aspects of the gameplay. And yh i could bring iris every game bc i have a lot, but i speak about the general playerbase.

But iri-items (and that includes not many of them bc most of them are not that strong) shouldnt tilt the match too much in your favor. How annoying would it be if some guy would bring a limited-time-supergun in a shooter and you just need to deal with it. Even if its just a slight boost, it just feels annoying and you want to play a fair match instead.

I'd say Syringes are still strong, just in a completely different way. And Styptics are just useless, it barely makes a difference and using Bandages still gives you more MedKit durability. If it would completely remove the selfheal efficiency debuff, that would be a different story.

They can be strong but then its gg on m1 killers which doesnt have crazy mobility or super srtong antiloop to have chance to get that one hit in 16 seconds time window (not to mention perks like botany will reduce the heal time of syrange), as I wrote above stronger killers doesnt care they can deal with them on their own by just getting those hits from their powers but weak m1 killers have to deal with more health states which means there is more time on gens and these killers already struggle against normal teams that are gen efficient.

Chances were you will get max two in lobby with stypric or syrange (before their nerfs) but I had one weekend where I was getting 2-4 styptics or syranges every game and it almost drove me to pick ghoul or blight because if you got whole team with strong addons against wraith who has mobility but super easy counterplay and these addons are still very strong against him them you are mostly cooked in the lobby and its just another hardcore game that is lost from the start and you can try for miricle if survivors arent super bad and doesnt last in chase less then 20 seconds plus no one is effected by genphobia.

Both were really stupid, the ultra rare infinitely more so.

People complain about another sprint burst like you couldn’t take a hit, run during the weapon wipe, then pop the syringe and get another health state which is basically the same thing. Imagine playing a M1 killer and your first chase pops a syringe and runs to a god pallet, gg well played!

Styptic was less OP but still stupid. Most people misused it and thought that popping it around a corner was enough, but you just follow and down them. The issue is using it to extend loops by ensuring you can make a pallet, it’s literally better than dh → drop pallet that killers were complaining about after the dead hard endurance change a while back.

Syringe should probably be changed again, and styptic needs a buff to not be completely useless in its current state (being worse than the brown bandages is just sad).

I agree.

The devs seem to think otherwise though. With every new item, you get awful iri add-ons (Crimson Stamp sucks and is against the idea of maps, Potent Extract directly nerfs you, and Blood Amber's downside make it awful).

To the topic:

I think that the add-ons could do with a simple nerf and be fine.

Syringe shouldn't have been affected by healing speeds at all (so a 24 second heal every use), and they could make it so you have just 4 charges in the medkit to compensate. Or it could get a Vaccine-like animation to slow things down.

Styptics could get a similar nerf too.

But no, Exhaustion perk stacking and crappy Streetwise it is.

This is a problem with the new Bloodweb and If you got a prestige 100 Survivor.

It's a little more extreme then this, given how common special event modes are. I play a lot of 2v8 and I have characters at prestige 9 that I don't think I've ever played sitting on a lot of stuff.

Thats why I think to claim it is okay to be strong because it is rare is not a good point for this argument.

Unfortunately, its kind of baked into the game design. I've always loathed how addons are designed, but its part of the grindy nature of the game that occasionally you get these rare, more powerful things. I highly doubt that will ever change unfortunately.

I can farm these addons and use it all the time if I wanted to and to be fair why shouldn´t I?

You can if you want, but its kind of like why shouldn't a Killer just play Nurse every match? Well, it gets boring and doesn't feel fair (for many people). Again, I strongly dislike it, but DbD seems to be designed around that idea.

Its gotten a lot better but there are still some problematic ones. (Specific unfun situations like an camping iri huntress aside)

Its nothing gamechanging like the tombstone piece, but some killers like Spirit get a strong powerboost.

The biggest problem with survivor items is the amount. You always need to consider the possibility of 4 survivor using it. 4 BNPs feel awful in the endgame screen. But honestly survivor dont even use it for the fastest escape world record, so its not even that problematic.