Wow...did not miss Ghoul
So I don't enjoy a few killers most times but counterplays that I'm super good at or just they feel dull for example I'm not a fan of Wraith as I can't hear him without headphones and yes I also have a hard time seeing his outline mostly on bright maps. Nurse it's just how her power is in the game it can be very finicky with hit validation with how a hit doesn't seem to work as she hit before she appeared. But I still enjoy facing them at times because hey it can be interesting...Ghoul and Karsue are not that they are annoying and really hard to even counter.
Ghoul if your hit with his power congrats your locked in place while he can gain his power back very easily and just ignore hit detection by lunging and hitting within a millisecond because there is no delay between of lunge and hit...oh and if he hits you with his power over a window congrats he vaults and your slowed so much your not making it even close to the tile infront you but hey free hit for him.
Karsue...is just really boring. The same play style from everyone. A power with very little cool down and a lunge power that hits through more pallets I'm surprised it doesn't just break them.
Both of these killers I can't play unless it's for an achievement because I don't want to put anyone else through the nightmare of facing them because there is no fun in facing them.
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Yeah, I just can't be bothered to play against those two. Killer results simply don't match killer efforts with them.
I don't mind strong killers, but I kinda need to respect the effort player had to put into it. That's why Billy is my favorite killer to play against…14 -
The ghoul spefically needs changes to address how much of a bore he is to verse.
I saw another fourm a few weeks ago saying most people who play him dont play him for the lock on hit
imo they should remove the lock on hit and make him a mobility / cut of the survivor sort of killer. Give him buffs if needed if he is too weak but the lock on hit is just to much of a bore to verse and needs to be removed7 -
they really need to look at the parts of his kit/addons that just allow him to get maximum efficiency with little to no effort. to start i would completely rework yamoris mask and red headed centipede. those 2 addons give WAY too much consistent value for the low effort you put into getting them to activate. next they need to nerf his vault speed while enraged. we’ve known ever since og chucky 2 YEARS AGO that killers having the ability to vault/scamper (for chuckys sake) over pallets quickly and down survivors shorty after is very unhealthy gameplay. but yet over 8 months after his release, kaneki can still vault at lighting speed while krasue got her vault speed nerfed 1 week after she came out.
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I'm lucky to only see a Ghoul maybe every 50-100 matches, but when I do, it's infuriating. They're the worst players I ever go against and they still often win.
But yeah, I also refuse to play as either of these two. I have no plans to even unlock them.
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Yeah Ghoul was the biggest mistake this game has ever seen in my opinion, I really hope they listen eventually. I'm so tired of them.
I hope the designer of them realises where they messed up also.7 -
ghoul is probably the most fair strong killer in the game with him being an m1 killer with injure you guys need to learn how to play against him.
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Sounds like a Sluzzy take lol
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Is this satire?
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That's the thing Chucky's scamper was broken with add-ons and well annoying without. But this was also the second time they did a killer who can vault and hit(I think Wesker was out at the time but that was more you have to vault and have the survivor right against you for the hit). But they changed him so scampering needs to be part of his charge attack which can still be tricky at times to get the turning right but still. I would say for ghoul he can vault but survivors shouldn't get hindered because of it since I think it's 20% yeah good luck he can recover and catch up to you by the time it's 75% done.
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You're not really wrong, Ghoul does have more counterplay than other S tiers. A God Blight and a God Nurse will completely overshadow him with how oppressive they are, played to their max potential there is basically nothing a Survivor can do to avoid a hit. Ghoul isn't quite like this, but they can achieve similar results with far less skill and effort. As long as the Ghoul knows what they're doing and has a half decent aim, they can force a Survivor to basically play perfect, or die.
You don't run into a God Blight or a God Nurse very often, which means often you can actually have some close calls against Nurse and Blight and actually have some good runs time to time. Ghoul has this super clever high skill input loop cut off thing with his grapples... but it can also just land next to you in a dead zone with nothing you can do to avoid the hit. He also has his really cheap vault and his free injure that can burn down your resources by attrition... and this is the way most Ghouls play. This has counterplay but it only takes 1 very minor mistake against Ghoul and you're going down cause you only get 1 shot.
You almost never get any of the crazy high skill cut offs, but instead its the lazy walk after you, burning resources until you the next respurce is too far to make with no way to avoid a hit. Once your pallets are gone, you're far past screwed, and you're also often screwed by Bamboozle and/or Dissolution so you don't even really have that counterplay either, cause Ghoul can just zone you into vaulting the pallet for a free hit. Survivors can't leave, cause they just get landed next to and die.
This means the Ghoul can prevent most counterplay options the Survivor has, but with effectively no real skill on the Ghoul's part... as long as he isn't completely inept and knows what he's doing and how to zone, Survivors get this mundane boring killer, that plays like a dolt 90% of the time because he can force you wherever he wants just walking all the time, and just take perks to take away the few counterplay options you have left.
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Either that or they are downvote farming. Imagine saying that and actually being serious, lol
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I dont understand how people just dont refuse to compare other killers like we usually do.
And then dont just think "oh hes totally not like legion/blight but anime"
The free hit/perma injure that nobody wants,
But now forced to play against unless u have sprint-burst, so you are already losing alot in macro.
the many mechanics just ripped and stolen from other killers : Gate being blocked when bitten near it, vaulting pallet, vaulting window, penalty for getting close when vaulting, similar if not shorter cooldown than blight, similar if not BETTER movement than blight
Why people defend him as if he's not the embodiment of why people hate playing survivor, i dont know.
All the counterplay we got is just avoid los when hes swinging/biting (which is nearly impossible) and then try to play all the 50's correctly on tiles..which you get screwed by his m2, as if he doesnt have enough with mobility
Its like they bring out hyperfocus but make it easier without needing stake out and more effective for no reason.
How are you supposes to play against him in soloq?.
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I just love how this forum is low-skill biassed. If you play ghoul against ANY p100 survivor who knows the game he can be as weak as wraith. If you play against medium to low skilled survivors It will be a mess.
I've never seen a high-tier killer that depends so much on the level of survivor you face.
Nurse and Blight? Unless you're playing against a comp team, you can win 90% of your games, even against a fully stacked lobby.
Ghoul? If there is ONE survivor who knows how to play against him, he'll have a really hard time.
You guys just need to learn killer's powers and weakness and stop being such crybabies.
Or don't idc, if you guys want to be facing blights and nurses every match 'cause every killer that BHVR puts in the game needs to be nerfed to the ground for your "fun", I guess ya'll get what you deserve…
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If you play Ghoul, calling people low-skilled should be the last thing coming out your mouth. Or do Ghoul players just not get irony?
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I play almost every single killer into p100 lobbies. Save from hag, trapper, skull merchant and the DLC killers that I couldn't bother… And I can easily say that in higher lobbies I do better with Oni, wich has MUCH MORE snowball potential than the Ghoul that, at the end of the day, is a Legion with better mobility.
You guys cry way too much here, but calling a killer "low-skilled" is easier than owning up your unwillingness to learn how to play the game.-5 -
Isn't this you crying in a post? Pot, meet kettle.
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And In what does it nullify what I've said? You can actually read? Last patch was ass to play anyone that needed a "normal" chase to get a hook. As Oni all I was seeing was people mindlessly dropping the nearest pallet and instantly running to the next. By the time I got a hit and my power, It'd be 2-3 gens popping, unless I got a lucky hit in someone who was in a bad spot without pallets, wich was rare since most of the times survivors start hearing your heartbeat and pre-run, even today.
And as any other killer I had barely 2 perks to use since brutal and/or endure was mandatory as I'd be munching pallets all day.
The only thing you're doing is showing how little you understand of the killer role my man.
As I've said, you guys will eventually get everything that you want, Nurses and Blights all matches.-2 -
The GOAT. I miss them. They were genuinely funny.
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There are some things I'd change about them, but I don't really find Ghoul to be that obnoxious at this point. Are they a bit too easy relative to their power level? Sure. And they probably don't need a deep wound on an auto-aim power.
There's potential for skilled play on Ghoul. The issue is that you never really have to use it if you don't want to. It's equally viable to slap on Dissolution and the Bamboozle add on and hold W at the survivors after the bite. That's more of a problem with Dissolution than Ghoul though.
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So you're mad about people complaining about low-skill Ghoul players and you're complaining about low-skill Sprint Bursters? Ironic. The pallets were no issue for me as killer and I wasn't running anti-pallet perks, so let me redo that quote of yours:
You guys cry way too much here, but calling a survivor "low-skilled" is easier than owning up your unwillingness to learn how to play the game.
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Oh my gosh I miss him. He was always good for a chuckle. Every time I see a Laurie avatar on here I think of him.
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D&B combo is incredibly unfair to go against in all honesty. Regardless of killer, really, since it takes away like 90% of the survivor counterplay
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Agreed. Dissolution is probably my least favorite perk on either side to play against.
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Dissolution should honestly be reworked it's not healthy for the game
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My question is everybody hates ghoul he's the number 1 most hated easy S-tier Killer and Devs are doing nothing for ages to address his problems and pain points
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Because money. He must still sell consistently with this reputation as low-skill easy-wins.
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