For anti-tunnel, anti collision instead of endurance?

I've been a proponent of this idea for a long time, and while I do still think it's hypothetically one of the best ways of addressing tunnelling, there is one snag I've never been fully sure how to address: Survivors using this lack of collision for saves.

Without collision, the survivor can phase in to the killer and drop a flashbang, or run through them to get a pallet drop prompt, without the killer being able to do anything about it.

IF a solution to that problem can be found, I'm all for it. I've toyed with stuff in the past myself, like survivors not being able to use items while intangible, but that only fixes half the problem- I'm curious if you've got any ideas for addressing it!

As a few others have mentioned, this idea has been around for awhile.

It's the most absolute, straightforward way to "fix" the problem.

Except despite calling their changes 'anti-tunnel' BHVR seems really determined to keep tunneling a part of the game (causing confusion among the players). They really seem to think removing the possibility of tunneling entirely would be an awful direction, thus we get the weird state survivors were in during the 9.2 PTB so tunneling is a lot harder, but still possible.

Thus while ghost survivors could work pretty easily to end tunneling, it doesn't seem to be BHVR's goal.

In place of Enduring, lets weigh in on the idea of a Temporary incorporeal state:

Killer can't strike, chase, or down the unhooked survivor, but the survivor can't be healed, can't do gens, use items, or block the killer either. Incorporeal survivors move faster with no sounds, scratch marks or blood trails, and once the timer runs out they become corporeal again and can go back to doing normal survivor stuff. This Status is disabled once the gates are powered and any incorporeal survivors cannot exit for 15 seconds after becoming corporeal again (just incase anyone wanted to abuse it for guaranteed endgame escapes).

Pros:

Survivor has a set amount of invulnerability from killer attacks.

Gives time and speed to survivor to find a place of safety away from the killer to heal or do gens.

Killer can't chase the survivor waiting out the timer because the survivor moves fast, leaves no indication of where they went.

Tunneling is rendered "mostly" solved because the survivor can't pull any body block shenanigans off the hook, and killer can't just wait out the Endurance while chasing them off the hook to down them.

Killers near the hook only have Rescuers to pursue.

Cons:

No Enduring body block shenanigans fresh off the hook to give your rescuer a chance to escape.

No immediate healing or hopping on gens after unhook until the timer runs down.

Have to time powering the gates for after unhooking a survivor or the killer can tunnel them out in the endgame.

In the event that rescuer escapes the killer, and killer just happens to run back into the recently unhooked survivor after they've become corporeal again/was lead to them by the rescuer, it doesn't prevent the killer from going after them again.

I Dunno how long the Incorporeal state should be, whether or not the killer should even be able to see the survivor at all during that time, if the length of the state should stay fixed or get longer or shorter per hook state, etc, All I know is that to me, it seems like a much better option than the "Elusive" status with extended "Endurance" which, as the last 2 ptb's have proved, become highly abuseable by survivors. With this option, we trade abuseable off hook tactics for a guarantee escape to safety, and to be fair for the killer, the unhooked survivor also can't do gens until corporeal again, so hooks double as potential gen slowdown too, which incentivizes killers to go for putting more survivors in this state, especially ones with toolboxes. As previously stated, It would "Mostly" fix tunneling, but it's not idiot proof… that's too tall an order to fill with this player base.

I once stated that it could be possible to let the Survivor only walk while he has no collision but the catch is that the status stays until the survivor does something else than that or someone else gets hooked.

So the Killer could not tunnel the Survivor because he can´t hit them and the Survivor could not interact with anything only when the Survivor gives the green light and is "safe or needed" in his opinion. You give the ageny of the tunneling to the Survivor.

People would literally use the anticollision to run inside another player and act as a force field since they would be hit.

Killer can't strike, chase, or down the unhooked survivor, but the survivor can't be healed, can't do gens, use items, or block the killer either

The only limits that should exist are not instantly throwing pallets or using flashlights or flashbangs. And trying to do so blocks the action but makes you vulnerable for a few seconds.

You need to prevent immune survivors from being able to save for free, or literally stand at a pallet and stare at the killer until they throw it, for example.

Not being able to do gens, or heal, or even something like incapacitated, becomes a huge burden to the survivor. Because instead of being in "time out" in this freeze tag game by being on hook, now they're in "time out" by being unhooked.

Which is both terrible gameplay and a gigantic buff to killers overall. Because, effectively, you've made unhooking now a timer where the survivor can now move, but are effectively still hooked and out of the match on a cooldown they have no agency over. (In fact, no one has agency over)

The survivor, at absolute minimum, has to have a way to opt back into the game under their own power by touching a gen, or healing a health state, or interacting with a killers power at the bare minimum to progress the game.

Incapacitated is even worse for this, and doesn't block pallet throws. The one thing that actually matters here.

I forget if incapacitated prevents interacting with killer powers also (the wiki is no help there), but you have to be able to opt back into the game.

Going from "time out until unhooked" to "time out on a cooldown" is just ridiculous.

This is why while that is happening they shouldn't be able to do any of that stuff.

you would also need to disable window vaulting (Last Stand) and locker usage (Head on)

Basically i would go further than just no collision. I would make them have basically spirits power. They cannot be seen, interacted with, make no noise, no scratch marks, no nothing. But during that time they can't do anything. They can't heal, they can't save, they can't do a gen, they cant drop pallets etc.

This would basically be coupled with giving killers actual incentives for hooking survivors. Things like a small basekit painres that just blows up all the gens for like 5-10% or other effects that make it so now that tunneling is gone, the game is properly balanced around basically 12 hooking for the win.