Killers TUNNEL from the start these days DO SOMETHING!

What do you suggest?

I’d be fine with longer endurance, but basekit DS would make wins against good teams basically impossible. We need people to actually want to play killer too.

Edit: would love to see you downvoters play killer against teams with basekit DS. I’m sure you’ll have no problem. Have fun!

But the game has to be somewhat killer-sided because it is a 1v4 asymmetric game. If, for example, the balance were flipped to a 60% escape rate, you would end up with 2–3 survivors escaping as a common scenario. That would mean the killer, on average, would either draw or lose most games. The problem is that much of the community doesn’t seem to understand that unless survivors play more selfishly, they are less likely to be the one escaping most of the time. 3–4 man escapes are clearly what people enjoy the most, but it’s very hard to make that a common outcome in a 1v4. Realistically, the killer is going to focus on one or two people per game, and some survivors will be caught early and have a bad match as a result. If players don’t accept losing as part of the experience, it will always be an issue, especially when going into an asymmetric game expecting 50/50 odds, which just isn’t realistic. You could argue that the devs should do a better job of setting expectations, or offer side rewards at the end of the match. They could also make it clearer that you do get bloodpoint bonuses for altruism, or even show some of those stats more visibly.

On the second point, I don’t think killer skill really matters when arguing that base-kit DS would be a notable boon for survivors regardless of MMR. It would effectively mean every survivor coming off hook gains a minimum 40 seconds of protection from being downed. While I don’t think that would be game-breaking with average players, it would definitely tilt end-game cleanup and hook standoffs more in the survivors’ favor. It could also make 3-man escapes more common, since going for saves would be much safer if you knew the unhooked survivor would always have DS.

Lastly I think killers and survivors operate in fundamentally different environments, which is why high-MMR killers tend to have longer streaks. They are playing an asymmetric game that already favors them structurally, so the best players on the strongest killers will naturally have outsized results. Survivors, by comparison, have to rely on three other people not making a mistake in a game where the odds are already against them individually. I do think there’s something to the argument that high-tier killers could use some nerfs, or that perks could be adjusted by killer tier, but if that happens, I think SWF should also see some form of adjustment to balance them out on the high end also.

You're mad that the killer... chases people at the start of the match?

Bruuuuuuuuuuuuh

Thing is devs want the game to be 60% kill rate so that means more deaths and less escapes, if they aimed for 60% escape rate than I could undestand survivors being stronger but thing is the horror and chalanging part is that you know you have less than 50% chance to escape. Thing is many simular games to DBD died because survivor role was way stronger that the killers one so no one played killer (if we dont count DBD is only held alive due to their politics with lincense of popolar horror characters like mayers,leatherface,wesker, now stranger things vecna so this keeps player base bigger than those other games but if we made survivor way stronger and by it easier the killer base would be way smaller and survivor would get bored more probably).

One thing is if you make survivor easier you cant do it without making them stronger.

Idk how you know you are high mmr but your chance for getting more teammates on console is maybe that many play on it in your region.

Killers being on pc well again its maxbe for you bug fact is many killers like almost 1/3 is nearly impossible to play on console and dont look like being drunk and prestige doesnt mean nothing tbh just that someone dumped his points into that character and reasons for that can be multiple and it doesnt mean he mains him always and with sweating well I see it on both sides and its brcoming more common like who isnt sweating from the start against opponent that does (you cant tell it just from the start but then 3 gens pop in 2 minutes or someone is almost tunneled by that time and its more and more late for combacks that become way harder).

Yea the game is miserable. Took a little break, came back and played a few matches as Surv, every match was atrocious. All Killers are straight up camping and tunneling, I've never seen the anti-camp meter actually fill up so often and almost every match there's a DC happening. Killers are absolutely playing like garbage humans, but then I go play Killer and I see why as I get paired with almost nothing but SWF stacks who are trying to troll the entire match.

Such a huge conundrum, if only BHVR actually balanced what's overpowered in the game instead of letting the majority of players suffer.

you cant tunnel from the start. you have to find, chase, down, hook survivors, wait for them to get unhooked theeeeeeen you can tunnel. Even then, so what? The Killer's main objective is to eliminate survivors and the killer is on a time limit. More survivors=less time, Less Survivors=more time

likewise, survivors have anti tunnel perks DS for example. Everything we have to counter these things are there in the game if we need them.

ah so now we are saying the perks available are not good enough? ok, if we go that route then killers can also say the perks available to them are not good enough. works both ways.

like i said, works both ways. your view is that all killer perks are good if you know how to use them but some killers would feel differently. like if i said the anti tunnel perks survivors have are good if you know how to use them, know the right time to use them, right place. off the record and dead hard are pretty effective. You might feel differently. its not one rule one and another rule others… it works both ways.

i have always said perks are there as aids, they help players that struggle without them but the perks are not what people should be relying on. i dont use perks to counter anything, i use basekit game mechanics to counter whatever i need to counter on both sides as killer and survivor.

Vaguely on the topic of win/escape rates I don't think BHVR should be aiming for a 50% escape or kill rate. As someone that used to play quite a lot of Overwatch in the past the whole "forced 50% winrate" thing is genuinely awful because more often than not developers enforce matchups you either stomp or get stomped and given how the game functions on a psychological aspect such a system would genuinely drive people mad.

So what if they do? What if I have a challenge/archive? Do you have compassion for the killers, I bet you don't. Oh but I have to let them go for the sake of your personal definition of "compassion" in DBD right?

that is saying its ok to kill someone but not at the start of the match. can killers say its ok to do gens but not at the start of the match? maybe after the killer has got 2 hooks then gens can be finished? even when the killer is bad and not tunneling survivors can crack out gens like no tomorrow even if the killer has 0 hooks. is that not the same as saying killers can tunnel but not when there are 5 gens left to do?

Find me tunneling hard core every single game no matter what killer im on! Im playing to win and when im doing bad you dont stop knocking gens out so don't expect me to stop using strategies that work