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I will accept Ghoul if just these two things happen
- If you get grabbed by their secondary attack you don't get locked in place allow us to move since they can easily get their power back and surprise close areas down way to quickly
2. Don't hinder a survivor if they vault. Again simple they can just quickly catch up since the hinder is ridiculous it even makes Clown blush who's main power is hinder. But difference between Clown and Ghoul is Clown's hinder you at least have a good change of getting to a pallet or window to escape.
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what does Kaneki get in return for these nerfs?
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survivors don't leave the game when they hear his terror radius
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Nothing. he doesn't need it.
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Absolutely nothing he doesn't deserve compensation buffs he's literally the world's easiest S-Tier killer
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Literally nothing, he is the reason I don't play anywhere near as much anymore
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You can't deliver that.
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exactly so why gut the killer
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I think the bigger point from this question
Is that chunking a portion of a killer's kit should come with a more healthy alternative, instead of just kneecapping them and taking years to realize it might have changed more than anticipated. Regardless of how vindicated that type of change may be in the short term, it has long term ramifications on paying customers. Better counterplay interaction, addressing the obnoxious pause while waiting for his animations, potentially healthier enrage effects, smarter people more learned with the killer than I could probably come up with direct sidegrades that nerf the things that are oppressive while preventing him from plummeting in viability. We can't keep throwing stuff on the backburner when it often takes years to get back to, and even those attempts don't have a great track record.
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thank you my my friend 🙏 they haven’t learned from when Freddy losing his add ons that were extremely good turned him into the worst killer in the entire game.
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Again simple they can just quickly catch up since the hinder is ridiculous it even makes Clown blush who's main power is hinder
Not anymore.
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I think he doeesnt need anything because he can catch up fast especialy after grab where you will be enraged and have 3 leaps which two are with slide and that vault well before it could hinder you every time (and it didnt kidnap tech) survivor could vault shack while goul vaulted enraged behind him and if that survivor huged the shack and didnt run wide (like against ranged killer) he made it back to the shack window in time, so in short his vault is just busted now devs fixed kidap tech but now it gives constantly 50% hinder while ghoul is vaulting which is not needed and shouldnt happen.
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S-tier was only in his release state now he is high a-tier so he doesnt need anything, distance he covers fast so no need for compansation there and his vault wont be bugged like is now (50% hinder while he is vaulting) so it will be more skillfull (I get his vault should be stronger than weskers due to his limitation of being able to down or remove heatl states from injured survivors but how it is strong now thats too much in my oppinion).
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Yeah, about that. What exactly did they nerf? Cause he still feels S-tier to me. His overpowered mask addon. His movement speed nullifies all exhaustion perks. His ridiculous hitboxes. What exactly makes him not S-tier.
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if we're honest.
Ghoul is a pay to win killer.
Blight and Nurse may be stronger
but Ghoul is S tier and extremely easy to play
In the past I've argued against DBD being pay to win; many times actually. But I believe due to his ease of use and overall strength he must be considered pay to win.
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He got lot of nerfs to his vault, enraged, leap distance, leap hitbox hitting survvior distance (inmagine it was 5 meters when he came out and now its what 2), loosing charges when he breaks pallet so he cant instantly cathc up and cut you off next loop and murder you on spot unlike blight who can do it still and way better. He got lot of nerfs just go back and read the patch notes but the you "feeling" something doesnt mean he is s-tier htere is even video on hens YT where he is comparing kaneki to other killers (before his second nerf i think) and last one is blight and you can see very clearly he doesnt stand a chance to be s-tier when compared to blight, people kinda put into s-tier what isnt ghoul was s-tier when he was released but since his nerfs he isnt s-tier but he isnt much further from it just fell into bracket under it +a-tier.
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I just found hilerious some people here downvoting something or complaining to post that even promote the nerfs autor of this discussion proposed without any logical argument just pure incompetence.
Ghoul needs some nerfs but not to be nerfed into bottom how some wish here because blight is on need of nerf way longer since ghoul came into game and people still deffend s-tier blight here and complain about ghoul even its been proven now by comp players that blight isnt just s-tier but he is number 1 killer in the game (like it or not but comp players are the best ones that can deal with s-tier killers so Im with them on this take nurse is just number 2 against top blight she is just way slower once some pallets are broken especialy on spread 3 gens).
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I like the over dramatic people. "It is impossible to escape vs Ghoul." Well I guess some of us do wonders from time to time by escaping him and that there is no 2000+ Winstreak with him is because people got humble to not play him.
Is he strong? Yes he is and annoying aswell. Is he in need of a Skull Merchant treatment? No he is not. Does he need fixing. Yes but please not with a sledge hammer.
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Blight, Billy, and Nurse also have a very high skill floor. There's no skill to Ghoul at all. I feel like like S-Tier killers used to be balanced by how hard they were to use, but Ghoul and Krause changed that.
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But he's already just a worse blight at this point. His power isn't great at most loops, like blight he is good between loops. Difference is a good blight can actually use their power at loops if they know how to curve properly.
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Blight is just s-tier number one now and he should be 110 and get some token loss after he breaks the pallet, these two changes on ghoul wont nerf him that much think here. Survivor will get little bit of distance after grab (which wont be grab or it wont hold survivor that long) but ghoul can catch up realy fast and is same at this as blight with what 8 seconds cooldown on 3 leaps or 6 seconds (he cant down you with his power but he can still outplay loops its just hig skill ceiling of ghoul that many people dont even know about and he has vault for loops)
ghoul techs:
if you are fast and accurate you can cut survivors before they reach the pallet or window on some loops and on weaker ones you got still his enraged vault or you can just force it with bloodust as normal killers.
For his vault making survivor hindered there is no deffence on that because it shouldnt happened and there is nothing in patch notes to promote this as new buff or some kind of change, its happening since they fixed (removed) kidnap tech and ghoul should just vault and didnt make survivor hindered/slower while he is vaulting thats just a thing that happes only because its buged.
His vault is very good on its own and now it will require more brain power to use it unlike now where you just vault right behind the survivor and there is nothing that survvior can do because he wont make it to anything due to hinder that shouldnt happen (even singularity doesnt have so busted vault now as ghoul has).
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