Please survivors STOP Disconnecting
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Again, I have to tell you that you are arguing against your own best interests here too. Avoiding tunnelers and getting hatch only works because 3/4 players are affected by it.
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Exactly that…. that is what attracts me to the game. The feeling that a horror game should bring, avoiding the killer at all cost, doing gens with suspense and anticipation, keeping my eyes peeled, listening, not knowing if the killer is heading to me or not, the struggle to survive, thinking "if im caught im dead".
Its a horror game and i enjoy treating it as such. I dont want to play survivor like "hey killer come get me" round in cirlces we go…."i know you cant touch me", pallet stun, tbag, run to the next pallet. Some survivors treat killers like a joke and thats not the game i have in mind when i play a horror game.
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well i too have great success and as long as im doing the objective i am playing the game and having fun while playing. if you have a problem with that then thats a you problem lol
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if you cant understand basic principals like that...
you fail to understand how the game works.
Yeah. Totally not calling people idiots without simply avoiding that word.
I also sincerely doubt that you play the game completely and exclusively for yourself at the expense of literally everyone else and then claim to be completely altruistic and "I'm only trying to help" on here.
"Trying to poison the well as much as you can so you can continue to play the way you are now" is a much simpler explanation that is also more consistent with your actions. It's a shame that the rest of us can't get a better game because of it, but that's also part for the course I suppose.
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No kidding. 😵 Unlike camping/tunneling/slugging which offers an advantage and needs to be punished instead of incentivized (think: the kid will stop begging for candy if they get to have donuts for every meal), we're dealing with players that aren't having fun and feel punished by the game but want to believe things will improve. Give them a better experience and they'll find more reasons to stick around.
I'm gonna say it, I genuinely think this current system of handling DCs does not benefit Survivor at all and it's only done to satisfy Killers' egos. The bot is a wildcard, like any rando in pubs. There's no real difference. However, when you have someone that argues in favor of harsher DC penalties because they want the game to be "fair for everyone", that's code for me that they play in ways that lead to many players DCing against them and the game isn't fun for them without an audience. It's not the same thing when you torment a bot that has no feelings. And BHVR not only tolerates that, but they really advocate for it with the changes they make. And yet even so, we're still here discussing it because it's never good enough. 😵 As always, I could be totally wrong. But I don't think I am.
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thats how i learnt to play….by people doing exactly that. they still do that and i respect them for leaving me on hook when they can escape because i would do the same in their position. im fine with people playing that way.
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such a shame that isnt it? sounds like a you problem to me, im just playing the game my way, doing the objectives trying to escape and stating how i find enjoyment in the game in areas that people often struggle….each to their own.
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People want the problems addressed so that the survivor team can have a chance to fully play and possibly win. "Rat for hatch while your team gets tunneled" is not a solution to the game's problems. If killers win their matches easily with cheese tactics, the problems are not being solved. A 1e every match is the survivors losing every match and is not a good or balanced situation.
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The issue is that when you play that way, you should really lead with that in your arguments. Otherwise you're massively disingenuous, which I doubt is news for you. This same conversation has been had multiple times on the forum for God knows how long.
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i agree, rat for hatch is not a solution….thats why i dont do that. i do gens when my team gets tunneled lol how many times do i have to say that? hatch becomes an option if my team cant last 10 sec in chase and some bright spark decides to unhook in the killers face allowing them to tunnel and making no use of the hook timer at all but even then i do gens untill its just me remaining
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i have said a few times, taking my advice wont get you liked, i have been honest about that. I also said as long as they dont mind not being liked and called all sorts at the end of the match then i would advise playing like me. i dont see how me saying how i play and saying i have fun playing my way and saying others might also have fun playing my way is being disingenuous.
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You keep saying you do gens like it's news. Of course you touch the gens bro, what else is there to do? We can all assume you're not in a bush all match. That's day-one behavior. Someone who actively avoids aggro and sets up their team to die is also a rat. Taking chase and involving yourself with the killer is part of the game.
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you say what else is there to do but then you also suggest that i rat out and dont do anything….which is it? Im either working towards to goal of doing gens or im not. a rat does not do gens, stealthy player does. a rat is bad, stealth is not
i dont set anyone up to die, they do that on their own by going down in 10sec. im not taking the blame for someone else's failures. As previously stated….many times…..if they can loop pretty well i do often save them because its mutually beneficial, they loop i do gens or i loop they do gens, we escape, all good. But when people go down instantly, try to go next, spends all match doing their totem challenge instead of doing gens, saving them does not benefit me and my escape. it might benefit them so they can run along and find another totem to do but its not mutually beneficial. That is when i will say no, someone else can go for the save if they want but im doing gens.
im pretty logical and pretty calculated in my approach and i expect people to treat me the same, if im the only one doing gens or i loop good enough then it benefits them to save me….but when its end game and they no longer need me i understand and even expect them to leave at the first opportunity, dont come back to save me and risk giving the killer 4k, dont linger by the gate to bag, just escape.
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I'm not saying you don't do anything, I'm saying you don't do enough. You're interacting with only a portion of the game solely for your own sake.
An end-game is often very doable and massively satisfying to most survivor players. Leaving immediately is, again, fresh install behavior. It's pretty rare, even when I soloq, for people to not try for the save. Someone who runs out the gate immediately when a three-person save is totally doable is as rare as they are offensive in my matches.
Why would you suddenly care about the killer getting a 4k when you clearly don't care if they get a 3k as long as you're not part of it?
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lol i dont do enough? wow. There is nothing in the game that states "you must interact with the killer". How much i do is based purely on how much YOU would like me to do. Like hell im going to play a game and think "i wonder if im doing enough….are my team mates going to be mad at me because i should be getting in the killers face". As much as you love to create your own rules and despise it when people dont follow them, that does not mean they are rats because you say so. Maybe i dont think you do enough, you dont do gens as much as i want you to…by your standards your a rat because you dont do enough based on my say so
Leaving immediately in my view is respectful to the killer that might not appreciate forcing people out the gate (which many killers have said they dont like). Many survivors have actually said they wished people just left so they could get hatch. I have actually been thanked for leaving and not hanging around because 1 guy was being chased, he was injured near the shack, i left and hatch spawned, he escaped. i could have saved him, took protection hits but it could have ended with both us dying.
because denying the killer 4k means someone got out, someone won. i dont care if the killer gets a 3k as long as someone gets out. obviously i rather that someone be me but if its someone else then good on them, they play smart, they play well, they escape. Cant fault it. like i said i would do the same if its reversed and i wouldnt risk giving the killer 4k where no one escapes when i can escape.
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I bring gen perks and a toolbox. It's not uncommon for me to touch all 5 gens that get done. I usually do one or two just by myself. So you'd be wrong there. But I also trade, heal, take protection hits, bodyblock, give free downs to stop tunneling, and participate in end game saves.
I love how you call them my rules all while simultaneously having multiple people expressing the same view to you in this very thread as though I cannot read.
Someone thanked you once. Amazing. Now tell me how many people have said less pleasant things as well. But this very specific scenario is different than the majority of what you say. I bring hatch offerings to my matches and we will also leave if someone is near shack and unreachable. That's completely different then just running out without a thought for the rest of your team, which is exactly what you did in the one and only match you've shared.
How the killer got to that 3k matters. If you had zero hooks all match but it ended at one gen up that could have been a team win.
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Still curious what you meant by that comment regarding last year. You weren't even on the Forums, nor do I recall the specific incident you are talking about. I'd appreciate some insight.
Likewise, I'd love to get you in a game sometime. I'm sure we're in different time zones, but it'd be fun to see how effective it really is.
As an aside, you kinda talk like how I remember @Prometheus1092 talking. I just think it's kind of funny how there's so many different people who all talk differently, but we end up getting some rare cases where it matches up lol.
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So you're a newer player then? The game always feels like horror to new players but it's actually natural for that fear to fade. It's like if you watched the same horror movie multiple times, it eventually stops scaring you. You see that in your own post, with the folks who run circles trying to get the killers attention. They're not treating them like a "joke," they've just played long enough that all fear is gone and chase (generally the only unpredictable factor in the game) is the only thing that gives them that dopamine hit anymore.
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no no no we are going on i didnt do enough according to you so you dont do enough according to me. you say you do 2 by yourself? i expect you to do 3 and unhook more than you do and heal more than you do….according to me.
they are your rules….not mine and not bhvrs rules. others might come up with rules similar to you and they have but it doesnt change the fact they are your made up rules like others have made up their own rules. Who says i have to get chased? bhvr? no….you do, thats your rule and your expectation. someone doesnt follow your rules? you cant stand it lol talk about dictatorship. as far as im concerned you can shove your rules.
Im aware lots of people dont like my playstyle and lots have said many many bad things but do i care? no. do i have fun? yes. would i care if others played like me? no, i encourage them to because i have fun so maybe they would to.
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quite opposite, i played since it first came out and i want that horror game element back which is part of the reason i play the way i do. i dont like looping, its boring. i want to evade the big scary killer that poses a threat to my life, not run in circles like scooby doo. If people want to loop, thats fine more power to them for doing what they enjoy but i enjoy stealth and doing gens….if people dont like that, thats their problem not mine. i have only offered advice to help people that hate soloq survivor and cant get any fun from it by saying what works for me and how i get fun out of the role and that outrages people lol. "how dare you not play my way". The controlling nature of some people astounds me but i still have fun and thats why i play.
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Isn't this you complaining about people not playing the way you like?
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you dont need an account to read the forums, i have been reading as guest long before i had an account.
I think i remember that person when i used to read as a guest, made a lot of sense i thought
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The game has a flow. There's a way matches go when everyone is competent. You being outside of that flow is a you issue that sadly becomes your teammates' problem. I'd rather have a hard tunneling, hitting-on-hook, humping killer than a teammate who dumps the match for their own desires. At least the killer is supposed to be my enemy and I'm prepared for it. No one is ready for treacherous teammates. That's the only reason your methods work.
as far as im concerned you can shove your rules.
Says the guy who loves to mention rules and to push them to their limits.
You don't care what people say yet you mention the one guy who thanked you once and you also get tilted by tbagging as killer. Tracks.
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not at all, i think it is silly but im aware that if people abandon thats their choice. i certainly dont tell them "dont abandon because these are my rules and if you abandon your scum" lol. if you said you think my playstyle is silly and dont agree with it, fair enough but thats as far as you can go with it…you cant tell me how to play or what to do or what not to do
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Oh, word? It's been a long time for me; wasn't aware you could do that. Although, that does make a lot of sense now that I think about it.
Yeah, somehow, I'm not super surprised.
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not my issue, i have no issue lol. if people have a problem its clearly their issue.
i follow actual rules, push them to the limits maybe but i follow them and dont break them. i dont follow made up rules by some random
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I, too, think I myself make a lot of sense.
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So then why include it
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glad i could impart wisdom, you learn something new every day ☺️
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To be fair, Others Might Be
Surprised To hear all Of the Numerous "Examples" they've provided to support their evidence over the years.
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Of course, we should all strive to improve our understanding and capabilities.
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its an optinon, which im entitled to. like i said, i dont scrutinise people for doing it, i dont tell them not to…just silly that they can. While they can i understand thats how it is so each to their own. is it silly that i can escape and not go back to unhook? is it silly that i am able to avoid being chased while i do gens? maybe…. but thats the game we play like it or not
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Sure, but you didn't make a post to complain about those things.
When people make posts, it is generally assumed they care about the topic and want a change, especially if it's negative.
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It's understandably difficult for people to comprehend where you're coming from, as most long-time players have grown out of the horror and fear aspect due to typical overexposure. The devs have said before that the playerbase is what has evolved the game to the place it's at today, because the fear simply doesn't last long. They simply follow the trends of the players.
You seem to be holding onto remnants of the past that aren't really relevant anymore. I don't think your advice would "help" solo queue as much as make it worse. Not just for survivors, but playing killer against 4 survivors who just hide with the goal of getting hatch once everyone else dies? No thanks
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True, People would do well to Remember all the wisdOM of the grEaT accounts of tHE past so we can all have better fUtureS.
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thats a bit of an assumption, some people make posts out of boredom or curiosity. some even make posts just to start a discussion and see where it ends up. doesnt mean they want change…even if i did want change, still doesnt mean i tell people to not abandon. thats the crucial point. wanting change and voicing opinions is one thing but when you start dictating to people how they should play before these changes have been made and make out they are scum for not following these rules that have not yet been introduced to the game then it comes across as malicious and controlling.
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i agree i am holding on to the past and while its still an option i will continue to do so because i enjoy the game that way. As a result i dont have issues with tunneling, slugging, camping, gen rushing or bully quads. i found my own solution that works for me and there is nothing wrong with that. Once again, i have never said people should hide for the hatch, i dont do that and i certainly dont think 4 survivors should. but i do think 4 survivors should work gens while trying to evade the killer as much as possible, when stealth fails then loop for as long as possible then its up to the 3 survivors not hooked to stealthily do gens and save. This is just 1 playstyle. there are others such as just looping and going for blind saves but i have never suggested people hide waiting for others to die so they can get the hatch. That is the difference between a rat and stealth which people seem to have a hard time understanding the difference.
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thats not vecna exclusive
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This ^
I've always been an advocate for "play how you want". Ive never expect the other side to play how I want and dont dictate how they should play just to make it "fun" for me
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I see what you did there 😉
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So as a survivor you would be happy if killers disconnected getting a bot to play against? My issue is if i wanted to play against bots i would do customer.
I dont overly agree. If your power is dropping that often its causing huge dc penalty then the game is the least of your issues
As for string of hackers how often are you really going against them? And if you say all the time then i want the proof. Over the last 8 or so years of playi g this game ive not gone against a single hacker that has made it obvious or held hostage. Lilely hood is just subtle ones thats it.
So yeah i stand by harsher dc penalties
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i would like to add, if we going on the basis of what SHOULD happen then DC pen should be harsher and hackers should be stopped via anti cheat. But by mixing what should happen with what currently happens, we get a situation where people say we cant make DC pen harsher because of the hackers.
In short, both should be addressed, hackers for obvious reasons and DC pens to stop people DCing over literally anything.
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That's actually wild. I haven't played anywhere near that long and I've had a handful of blatant cheaters while playing both roles. Here's one that used remote healing to cause this player to get stuck in the ground while the killer was stuck in carrying mode.
And, as you can see, one of the victims DCed.
I also had one as killer where all the gens got finished within a minute of the match starting while loud noise notifications went off on them. I didn't DC but another person did. You can't blame people for not wanting to take part in that.
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Two points—I personally don't go against cheaters too often, but it is constantly being reported and people are getting banned for it all the time. Considering how buggy and messed up the game is and how easy it is to bottleneck the trial, in addition to the two examples I mentioned, you really can't in good conscience impose a heavy penalty for DCing. At some point you have to realize that the game itself is a problem and that giving players an out in bad situations is more important than policing who is doing it in good faith and who isn't (much like the Abandon feature).
Secondly, the system is already very harsh. You get two "free" DCs and penalties start on the third. I put "free" in quotations because the countdown starts from the first. You have to play 20 consecutive trials without DCing to lower the timer and the timer does not count down passively. You have to queue up and wait in real time. That timer extends indefinitely as well. Someone could have DCed 3 times over the summer and if they play today and do it once more, they will be hit with the 4th penalty. For anything stronger than that, the only real option is to vote for locking those players out of the game entirely. How serious is DBD that we need to be doing that? Truthfully.
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Implement a decent and fair matchmaking system or create a game for survivors. I can't stand dying 20 matches in a row anymore.
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The fact that this gets downvoted simply proves why disconnecting is such a big problem. So many players who think they should be entitled to ruin other people’s matches if they aren’t 100% satisfied in every second of every match.
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True. My friends play other PvP game in which people are so afraid to quit people of how bad the punishment is that they either are forced to play the match or start to troll (which is bannable, and can lead to 30 day bans or more).
Aside from that, i really think that BP on the trial should be earn even easier than they are now, so people will have some incentive to play.
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