New Map - Trickster's Delusion

New map is very impressive looking and beautifly crafted. You can tell a lot of work was put into making it and that's awesome.

That being said, in terms of raw gameplay and balance the map is too big. It's hard to find players on both sides there. As Trickster it took me over minute several times to find someone before even starting the chase.

Me when Im playing Trickster and the Survivors run around those little trucks. 😫🤬

The map is too big. The many interior accessible buildings make finding your way around too hard. Resources are either God pallets, or 20/80s, windows too are too weak or too strong, no in between.

Visually, this map is incredible. Gameplay wise, needs improvement

Don't see what's wrong with having some maps have powerful loops when we have plenty of maps as barren and useless as Fallen Refuge.

this window forces you to lose distance every time you vault it since the door to leave pushing you closer towards the killer. The problem is you vaulting it, even a Z wall looks strong if the killer vaults it instead of mindgaming.

There is at least one thick wall you cannot blink through as nurse for whatever reason no matter the chargetime. Probably not the only one, but I am not interested to try out every wall out there.

Also, just 3 windows? Seriously?

And not a single elevation. Pretty good job so far.

Feedback On Pallet Placement:

Certain areas of the map can spawn with really good setups. This wall can spawn with a pallet between car. The window into it is too long for non-mobile killers to play. The loop is window jump back to pallet. I suggest moving the door closer to the window or putting in a breakable door. Either that or having the window and pallet not spawn together period.

There is also spawns like these very close. Both pallets don't really have a "short side" which would be fine if they weren't so close together. These are both pallets that M1s would need to bloodlust or break IMO.

Then we have buildings that spawn pallets in the same tile: IDK if this is intentional.

Some buildings are not spawning pallets leaving deadzones (no pallet in building or outside it):

Then you have this pallet:

I kinda feel like having it spawn between car and the junk would be better.

This side of the lobby has no pallet which may be necessary due to the long straight walls. I would suggest between this couch and the railing. It wouldn't be a good pallet, but at least you'd have one.

Once again — dead zones: We could use one crappy pallet somewhere in this building.

Idk maybe since noone knows how to loop the map I haven't really had anyone run it as efficiently as the survivor you're going against do.

Well first of all the map is BEAUTIFUL! Designwise its 10/10 and the best map in the game but there are 2 issues [1 for per side lmfao]

1. The pallets. Pallets are either really 50/50 unsafe ones and there are SO MANY OF THEM btw. Its like THE GAME Amount of pallets or GOD pallets [there are about 3 God pallets on that map]. Some other spots [like near market but not on it] have lots of deadzones. But yeah i get it why so many pallets are so unsafe, thats prob cuz of my 2nd point.
2. Windows. There is one window chain u can abuse vs EVERY killer [killer HAS to vault the window or just go around ENTIRE BUILDING] and guess what! Theres another window next to it with a pallet in between! Yay such a fun gameplay. Even for me as survivor main its. rly weird design. Dropping pallets is not worth it when u can just get a hit, run to that spot [Its somewhere near market where u can get into shops] and just triple vault wasting about 40s of the game cuz lots of killers cant do anything about it [only First and Nurse can rly counter it lmao]

So yeah map is really beautiful and full of details but IMO we need to fix the pallets by making some more safe and deleting that INSANE window chain. Also yeah the wall near ambulance on market is also ridicolous vs 4.4 killers 😭

I feel like we could remove at least one of the 3 potential god pallet spawns.

the map is already flooded with unsafe and stupidly easy mindgameable pallets and you want to remove one of the only good pallets survivors have? maybe give a compensation request like remove 1 or 2 god pallets but make the other ones a bit more safe… this map will end up like hawkins where 95% of the pallets are unsafe so you just have to predrop when you have distance on survivor (you know, the gameplay that EVERY killer player hates).

The pallets are playable when played correctly as a lot of pallets are.

Never mind the map being huge with lots of nook and crannies you can hide in along with strong windows like I said earlier. You could probably win on this map as survivor off of sheer immersion alone. God pallets are simply NOT good solutions or healthy for the game in general especially when given in excess amounts. If this map had actually safe pallets… it would be WAY more survivor sided than it already is.

As usual the map always looks amazing, however it does not flow very well. Near Killer Shack there's some shops with a very strong window loop paired with some decent pallets making it as a whole feel REALLY strong. Not to mention the Killer Shack itself is a bit bigger than its other-realm instances. Also a few god-pallet locations that have 0 counter-play other than the pallet MUST be broken. The Nightclub is a larger version of the RPD main hall staircase where a Survivor can pre-run from a killer and the Killer has no choice but to hold W for 30 seconds to catch up. Only ranged killers can deal with this annoyance. Exit Gates also can be watched by patrolling a 6m circle in the middle of the street. Maybe some more obstacles in the way but at the same time there are MANY spots to rat in when it's down to the last gen with only 2 survivors left. I still think the fewer Survivors alive, the faster the AFK Crow system should build up for non-objective actions.

Hello, I'm JohnVelma Creator Program Gold Tier from Thailand. and this is my feedback for this map. Thank you.

Overall, many pallets and vault locations are placed fairly close to each other. Even so, the loops are neither too long nor too short, which feels fair for both killer and survivor.

However, my only issue is that the map is too large.

For killers who move at 4.4 m/s, patrolling the entire map and searching for hidden survivors can feel excessively difficult. As for 4.6 m/s killers especially those without high mobility abilities. it’s just as exhausting if they have to rely purely on walking.

For example, killers like The Blight, The Hillbilly, The Ghoul, or Albert Wesker can compensate for large maps because they have strong mobility powers. But killers who lack that kind of movement and must traverse the map on foot alone will struggle significantly more on maps of this size.

My record in this map (First game).

Back again with that mega broken loop next to shack, but from a survivor's perspective.

Even the survivor thinks its kinda gross with all the pallets it has too.

I love the new map although the only two bits of feedback I'd have is there could be maybe a few more area where you could maybe put like a bit of tall grass for traps or even stealthing in plain site. There also seems to be no spots for Balanced Landing outside of the basement if it spawns in shack. I feel the only spot you could somehow incorporate Balanced Landing is if you made the dance floor an area you could walk in. Admittedly my feedback about this map at least from the survivor perspective would be requesting this area be toned down for how bright it is either by reducing the overall brightness or shifting the color so it isn't so white.

As a survivor doing a generator in this area is painful on the eyes. I have a widescreen monitor and I get flashbanged anytime I looked in the direction of that display before the generator in the room was complete. It's a lot easier to look at when the room is completed because the screen shifts to a more darker red.

Also not really related to anything other than an oversight - some albums in the record store don't have any meshes on the side

The map is filled with pallets that are unplayable for the survivor. 90% of the loops are structures that the killer can just swing around and secure the hit. There is no mindgame and even no luck: no matter, how skilled you are as a survivor, or how low of a ping you have, any killer of any skill level can win on these tiles. These are not 50/50 's and not even 30/70's, they are 0/100's.

These pallets might as well not exist - it is better for the survivor to just hold W around the map to get a better chase then trap themselwes in these loops. And it's not like these are the edgemap pallets that are supposed to be the last resort survivor has.
Please, stop designing loops like these. Look at common loops of pre-pallet-density Macmillan, for example - these loops offered engaging 50/50's based on both survivor and killer knowledge, reaction and prediction.

It's basically Garden of Joy situation, with god window. It's pretty annoying to have such resource you can't do anything about it unless you have Bamboozle.
Then you just have all survivors holding W toward that loop.

This one is kinda even better when you have another god loop next to it.