was removing the kaneki vault back intentional?

Yes, it's in the patch notes. It doesn't make sense that a survivor should be able to vault back because it makes the ability near-useless.

If they're waiting for you to drop the pallet then just don't drop it. It's like huntress. Even if you go down anyway, it's a better outcome.

leave ghoul alone my god he’s literally the new skull merchant they won’t stop the outrage until he’s completely dead and terrible

I can do it for you. When you see that he is going to raise his tentacles to vault the pallet, which is almost every time, you have two options depending on the loop. If the loop is kinda short, you can just loop around again and he won't catch up to you. If the loop is big and you will not have time to go around, you can just wait and see by his tentacles animation when he cancel it, which is very clear. He cannot hit instantly after canceling so you have time to drop the pallet, always works for me.

You are supposed to go down eventually.

It's not lose-lose. It's choosing between two outcomes where one is better than the other.

The difference in outcomes is the pallet being dropped and subsequently broken. As i've explained before, because the enraged vault is conditional, pallets are useful against ghoul as long as you drop it outside of those conditions. If you drop the pallet and go down to enraged vault, you wasted a pallet.

I wouldn't mind if they nerfed this aspect of his kit either by increasing cooldown or by reducing enraged vault speed. I don't think he should be 4.4m/s though, i think that would just make him a worse legion.

So it's not guaranteed down on safe pallets/windows. Kinda doesn't make sense for killer with free injury.

Just give him Legion level vault, so something happens, but it's unlikely to help with downing a survivor.

Helping with downing a survivor is it's core purpose. Repositioning on the other side of the pallet would be pointless, it would be better to just break it from the side you were already on. Making it so he would stay in his power also pointless because there's zero potential for a cut off if a survivor is already directly at the other side of the pallet.

Because free injuries are useless if it doesn't convert into a down at some point. Whilst he can easily injure people, he still has to down you with a basic attack, and his cooldown means that he can't hit and run if survivors are spread out like they should be, so he has to chase people at some point. Enraged vault exists to pressure survivors into giving up safe resources earlier, so that he can start getting downs in a reasonable time frame.

Your suggestion makes no sense because if the survivor is already at the pallet after vaulting it, there is no cut off potential, they are already at the resource.

Yes really. The 2s cooldown for cancelling kagune leap means that if a survivor is playing well, you are an m1 killer at loops. Spirit has no such cooldown, infact she retains a speed boost, she does not play like a basic killer at all.

You cannot apply your experience as Legion to Kaneki just because they can both vault a pallet. They work very differently. Survivors don't vault back against a legion because it wouldn't help them avoid the feral slash, legion can immediately turn around and hit them whilst they are vaulting.

The hinder is 50% for 0.5s, that's 1m of distance in total. At this point i think it only exists to give feedback to survivors that they were grabbed onto. Perhaps there is a better way of doing it but i digress.

This second quote is not something i said.

No, it is 2s. Legion's is also 2.5s….

You're missing the point entirely and just seem to be looking for an argument so i will not engage any futher.

This is another example of people refusing to adapt or learn counterplay and instead mass-supporting calls to nerf a killer.

Kaneki has clear counterplay — counterplay the community has been vocal about for people to learn for a while.

Talking to players about Kaneki usually goes like this:

Player 1: He’s OP, nerf his vault or something.

Me: You can greed a pallet while he’s in his power.

Player 1: He can fake going into M1.

Me: There’s a clear animation difference. When his tentacles go back to normal, that’s when you drop.

Player 1: But he can vault windows too.

Me: You greed the window while he’s in power. When he leaves power, you vault.

Player 1: Vaulting a pallet after his pallet vault was the most reliable counter though.

Me: If you don’t want to greed, you can drop the pallet and vault it while he grabs you, then vault back over it.

Player 1: His leaps are so fast, he has too much mobility!

Me: Breaking line of sight is extremely strong against him.

Player 1: You can’t loop him because of his leaps.

Me: You absolutely can. In loops, he’s basically an M1 killer. Once you learn how to greed pallets against him, he’s very mid. His leaps can be used to body block in loops, but that’s extremely pallet-dependent and hard to pull off. It’s almost impossible in smaller loops.

At the end of these conversations, it’s always the same conclusion: “Nerf Kaneki.”

Nobody is quitting DBD over Kaneki. People don’t actually think he’s broken, they just find him annoying. And when something is annoying, the default reaction is to ask for nerfs.

The pallet vault bug fix was necessary. Before that, he was nearly useless against good survivors.

Killers like The Blight are still far stronger than Ghoul.

Kaneki isn’t OP. He’s just a matchup people don’t want to learn.