Why does Sadako have such a high killrate?
When we get official killrates from BHVR Sadako has always had a decently high number with her usually around the mid 60's in terms of killrate. It is strange because this killer who is often considered a d or f tier killer has a higher official killer rate than Nurse who iirc had around a 44 the last time we got killrates. But something i noticed is that everytime we see the rates, Sadako only appears in the MMR 500 and above and she does not appear in the MMR 1800 or above.
The picture above is old and outdated i believe this is from a year ago but is the reason she has such a high killrate due to facing low MMR survivors? Because high MMR players know the counterplay to her is just shut off the tv near the gen but the low MMR survivor who is most likely a newbie, wouldnt now this and would get condemed. This goes to show that BHVR has failed new players with a terrible and outdated tutorial and those who are just begining to play the game wouldnt know how to deal with this killer but thats just my thoughts. Whats your take on Sadako having such a high kill rate?
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She’s a noob-stomper, similar to Freddy. Neither are strong killers and you almost always see them low on tier lists. The average survivor doesn’t really know how to play against either of them, thus the high kill rates.
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The stats don't include low MMR, so it wouldn't be that. Plus the lowest killer listed in the stats for high MMR is Spirit at 66%, while Sadako is at 65% in mid MMR, so for all we know she has a decent kill rate in high MMR too. She just didn't make the stats cut. She is crazy good when it comes to map pressure, and survivors need to manage their time efficiently around maintaining gen progress and keeping her power at bay. I think high MMR survivors are just better at that time management aspect due to their experience.
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All the stats are all inclusive actually. Across the board, her stats are just this high because she does quite literally stomp low mmr and survivors who just never go against her due to her rarity.
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1: Teleport is always a good ability.
2: Given the elimination nature, even a single survivor screwing up can swing the game heavily in her favor.
3: Even if survivors play it well, she's still getting slow down as they do the side objective.
4: Going with the above, she gets lots of info on where survivors are located.
5: If she tunnels, the ability to phase through body blocks is pretty powerful.
You can't mess her up like you could a Nurse or Blight (high skill floor) while also having more room for growth than some of the other lower tier killers (decent skill ceiling).
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Usage rate. The killer is used less often, gets 4ks and then those stats stick that the killed 100% of the time even if they arent played again
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From my experience which is why I dont play her is that most of my games as her is that the Survivors just throw or DC right away. Same for my chucky. I play killers that I can get real games with.
I believe thats not her real kill rate and most of the killers don't have there real kill rate.
When Ghoul came out they I had Survivors say they where purposefully letting themselves die to give him a higher killrate so he gets gutted into D tier. But thanks to the Go Next prevention system they cant do that anymore thankfully.
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Players often don't know what to do against her, and those that do face her so rarely that they often aren't half as experienced with the matchup as the killer is.
As someone who plays her not infrequently, I can just feel that sometimes as Sadako my opponents simply have no idea what to do despite not nearly being a bad player. I put a couple messages in post game chat and was told something along the lines of "I haven't run into an Onryo in xyz" a fair few times by different survivors.
There's not really a great solution to this beyond improving the tutorial system, as Sadako is both too lethal for a buff and too weak against knowledgeable opponents for a simple nerf to be warranted. She could get some QoL for sure, but it's hard for me to imagine any sizable changes for her.
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I will say that i couldnt even tell you when i last faced a Onryo as a survivor, it has been awhile. Maybe the low pick rate and over all less time spent against her does have some merit over her killrate but i'm not sure how much.
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I assumed they were only 500 MMR+ because they intentionally discount low MMR?
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As someone who hasn't played in years, I would guess it's the combination of
- her not being a simple killer with a straight forward power and
- being rarely played so (new) survivor player lack experience with her mechanics,
resulting in losing their cool and playing worse than normally.
(Damn, I ended up doing the same thing I normally hate by posting without reading the thread. Only afterwards I saw that people made the same points already 😅)
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In my opinion, most killers are genuinely decent, some just require more dedication and understanding of their kits. In the same way we can look at survivor perks like STB and see how strong they can be depending on the skill of the player using them, the same idea applies to most of the killer roster.
I think she’s one of those killers people assume is really weak, which makes her less popular. Because of that, many of the players who do play her are very good with her cause they’ve put in the time to really learn how she works, even if it’s a small pool.
When a character is labeled OP or Strong it attracts a lot of people. When a character is labeled WEAK it does the opposite and filters out most except the specialists. The result is a “weak” character can be terrifying and successful in the hands of the people who stuck around long enough to learn every trick.
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Not BHVR's fault if the average DBD player is too dense/lazy to understand something that takes 2 minutes to learn.
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Kind of is BHVRs fault. Especially the new player experience is pretty bad, since you have 42 Killers which all have different powers. And I am very sure that you can play the game for months and dont encounter every Killer at this point. Sadako is quite rare as a Killer IMO, since she does not offer the most exciting gameplay, is not the strongest Killer (she is decent, but nowhere near the top) and also she is licensed.
I would not be surprised if there can be weeks between encountering two Sakados. Which makes it then difficult for players to learn her counterplay. And this also affects people who know her counterplay. If I am in the Lobby with at least one Survivor who might not have seen Sadako at all or in the past few weeks and does not know what to do, it also affects me if that person is fully condemned 3 minutes into the match and dies, even if I know what to do.
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She is hard to understand for newer players plus she has been changed/reworked 3 times so many people even on higher levels of the game have no clue what her power does exactly like they still remember or think her power works like her previous version but that isnt a thing.
Another huge factor is her mains if you look closely she had great results even with her firts version where she could win but it took 20+ minutes match where with two addons and full regression (gen kick meta) and some slugging perks builds killer just regressed gens and sluged, build comdem and broke pallets and than got kills without hooks eventualy but it took a long time.
The answer is her mains like if you got good map and survivors that are unsure of her power you can with great macro get kills without hooks (look at some onepumpwille plays with her and you will see) but that doesnt mean she is that good you need great macro a thing that would give you more better results on other killers and maps, maps are her key like indoors where tvs cover solid distance and is smaller spaces between them are better than open maps where her stealth is totaly none existant and tvs has huge gabs between them so spread of condem is small and her slowdown from survivors needing to take tapes doesnt realy exit much there this is her bane but combination of good sadako player with good map can be hige pain especialy when you cant bodablock which some survivors dont know till this day even when its thing that hasnt changed since her release.
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There are shorts on YT that take like minute and tell you more than ingame texts or like long vids that explain every killer and counter to them where even experienced players sometimes can learn or remember something they didnt knew or forget so kinda both devs and peoples fault like who wants to lear something, will loo for it.
For sadako she has been changed 3 times and every time her tapes and condem spread was changed so combine this with the fact she is very rare to face (becuase she isnt much favored killer and hard one like with marco you need to play her effectively you would with same marco on knight or wraith be king and win many matches) which makes this even harder, if this happened to ghoul,blight,huntress,wesker people would even learn that or got it after some time because they face these killers often compare to sadako she is like in 1/3 or 1/4 (I would say) of least played killers.
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I actually had the pleasure of using my P100 Sadako on some friends in a friendly discord match with a map of my choosing, with the only rules being no tunneling, and no kills until 2 gens are popped. Only one friend in the survivors had more hours than I did.
I was at 8 hooks before a gen popped. And two of them had max stacks, and anyone who didn't had Yoichi's fishing net afflicted on them.
It's not surprising to me that low MMR players don't know how to manage her well.
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500 MMR and above is MASSIVELY low MMR btw.
even 1800 isn't really "high mmr" either.
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Sadako is one of those Killers that is rare but consistently sweats in my games. She's pretty good at shutting gens down.
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I could be remembering wrong, but i think the dataminers said 0-650 is the low MMR bracket
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I‘ll take that as a compliment, lol
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so the average blights gets nearly 3k every game, how surprising. we aint even talking about the good ones. surprised this killer isnt gutted already. if they will release the real full stats i bet killers have over 70% killrate since the pallets got shrinked.
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As defined by the brackets and matchmaking pools. But MMR is just Elo. You would never consider someone who is 800 elo to be "good".
Elo bell curve looks something like this:
and in games, typically elo is actually INFLATED more than chess and the top players are usually around 3-4k.
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you shouldn’t need to go to youtube to learn anything.
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If you want to improve than you must be active one and not be passive and think it will all come alone to you.
With tips how to play as survivor and how to counter each killer are better decribed on YT or on different sites than in game and waiting till you get that killer you want to improve to go against than just find some source of good info about how to play against him is not that great compare to second option so waiting till devs give you tips in game (the ones that play way way less rhan some people or mains and know very little about the gameplay and more about stats) isnt very wise decision that will benefit you the fact that some solid help should be in game is another thing/topic. Like it or not these are just facts the tutorial will teach you way less than 1 minute short on YT or reading reddit post about some tech or counter for some killer.
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It shows tier lists are inaccurate. Some killers are simply easier to play. Survivors don't have time for all the secondary objectives some killers require.
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Not quite. Players definitely have time to handle Sadako's tapes. Doing it effectively is an entire different matter based on knowledge and skill. When to grab a tape, when to put away tapes, where to deny a teleport, etc etc. Players who are actively denying TV's tend to be the matches I have a rougher time on, since I have to rely on loop mindgames near entirely if survivors are playing correctly.
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Oh, absolutely it is. Being successful with a character like Dredge or Pig is something different than being successful with a character like Ghoul or Dracula. All those characters are capable of being successful, but require different levels of skill and time requirements to meet the same results. The skill/hours required on someone to get a 10 kill streak with Ghoul vs. the skill/hours required to get a 10 kill streak with Pig are (typically) not going to be the same. Gotta respect that grind.
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Not enough people know how to counter her it's the Hag syndrome. Against players who know how to counter every killer Sadako and Hag are garbage tier.
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Yes you should. If your game, regardless of the genre, has depth then many things will be requiring you to go out of your way to learn about it all and that's exactly how it should be.
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Have you tried playing as Sadako? If survivors know what they are doing, she is borderline useless. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a tier list with her anything better than B tier, usually C tier (or worse), and that’s for good reason.
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do fighting games not have a tutorial for each individual character? Yes they do. They don’t require you to go to youtube.
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