Couple of questions
Okay so first question, is it true that survivors run speed is 4.0 m/s? Cause I just got out of a game where I was myers with scratched mirror and the 4.4 m/s addon and 3 of the 4 survivors were running faster than me even in a straight line which obviously shouldn't happen? I'm even having games where I use his perk and get a 10% haste boost and I'm like just barely catching up to some of these survivors in certain games and was only able to catch up once I got 15% haste.
I'm also curious about flashlights, when I'm a survivor it takes 1-2 solid seconds to hit a flashlight stun on a killer but when I'm the killer they point the flashlight on me and I get stunned in like 0.1 seconds basically instantly, in the same game I'll have another person with a flashlight that functions normally like when I'm survivor, is that hacks? I watched a video where the guy was like you pick up a survivor and just look up to avoid the flashlight stun instead of having to run Lightborn but when I try that the game either forces my head back into a straight forward position or won't let me look up at all, sometimes I can look up after the pick up animation but I still get stunned anyways so I just basically run Lightborn 100% of the time now.
Last question is about body blocking, when is the new body blocking update coming out because I'm getting survivors body blocking me on an injured guy who hasn't even been downed or hooked once yet, like that first myers game where people were running faster than me with 4.4 m/s addon I got 2 hooks because I literally couldn't catch up to them and didn't have a haste perk cause I wanted to try something new and I was getting body blocked, I heard there was an update coming out soon that would disable the body blocking feature or change it in some way to not allow toxic behavior on the survivor side which would be greatly appreciated, is there any news on that?
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First paragraph - Nobody can tell without a video to be honest. There are cheats which make Survivors move faster than the Killer, but usually it should not happen. So if they are indeed faster in a straight line for a long period of time, they are most likely cheating, but again, without a video and seeing their Perks, nothing can be said. There are some Perk combinations which make Survivors run faster than the Killer, but they require specific scenarios and coordination and are not that often used. Basically stacking Haste-Perks.
Mind you if you are looping, the speed difference between a 4,4 m/s Killer and a Survivor seems less, because the Hitbox of the Killer is bigger so they cannot hug Loops as tight as Survivors can do taht.
Second paragraph - Again, videos needed. But usually it should not take 1-2 seconds to activate a Flashlight. When it comes to looking up, you cannot look up while you are stuck in an animation. E.g. looking up does not work when picking up a Survivor or when you are breaking a Pallet. Which is probably where the confusion comes from when you describe that you cannot look up or the game forces you back to look forward. Looking up is still important when picking up a Survivor, because they might have timed their Flashlight wrong and if you keep looking straight after you picked up the Survivor, you might still get blinded, even if you finished the animation and they were too late.
Third paragraph - the Bodyblocking Update was part of the Anti-Tunnel Update and got cancelled like all other changes. But bodyblocking to protect someone is not toxic behavior.
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The body blocking change they were talking about was to prevent people from locking someone im a corner with their own body to prevent them from being able to move till the game ends.
As for the flashlights it was possibly hacks, as ive had a round with an obvious cheater who'd teleport to my location everytime i knocked someone down, and could blind me from behind even while my face was burried in a wall- instantly. They also couldnt be hit while opening exit gates and teleport out the milisecond the gate opens, and had infinite flashlight charges.
As for the movement speed, scratched mirror myers biggest problem 'was' movement speed being much slower and relied heavily on indoor maps and ambushing for any results. Im not sure if thats changed since his update but i think his lunge wasnt nerfed in that mode anymore. It is possible they used subtle speed hacks to move faster than you. Might need to look at their perks after the round and see if anyone had something to give haste.
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Yeah it wasn't a loop situation it was running in a straight line on dead dawg saloon they just kept doing it right out in the open stretch and I couldn't catch up. I'm not saying it takes 1-2 seconds to activate a flashlight I'm saying it takes 1-2 seconds to get a stun with a flashlight when I use it, like the beam narrows and then flashes once you've aimed it long enough but when I'm killer it's basically instant whereas other survivors it actually takes 1-2 seconds like when I'm survivor. As for looking up, I do look up but the game actually forces my head back into a straight line causing me to get stunned every single time. I feel like if camping hook is toxic then body blocking is also toxic, getting 0 kills and 2 downs while getting body blocked felt quite toxic but alright.
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There were no haste perks, yeah I've had a few matches of flashlight cheaters including ones with infinite charges on their flashlights, so I just leave and get penalized for it with a temporary ban but I guess that's ok? I'd rather deal with an hour ban than have to play against cheaters. Yeah idk I'm just going off the base movement speed of survivors, if it's 4.0 m/s and my speed is 4.4 m/s I should definitely be faster than survivors it isn't really a question but they were always staying ahead of me in that particular match, in another match I had the same perk setup but with the haste perk that gives 5%+ haste each time you let the obsession run away and was getting outran with 10% haste at 4.4 m/s by this one survivor I was like ok sure, got 15% haste and was actually able to catch up.
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As other said only video would show us if there was inkling of cheats as we only have your word of stating that they were faster than you on straight line. I have had people state here stuff and then when they provide a video of what they claim to have seen the video disapproves their own statement. My normal reaction to any of these claims is that most of the time the poster is painting the picture to be what they think it was and I am not saying this as them doing it intentionally but frame of mind does effect persons viewpoints.
Still your main description of flashlight saves are still totally possible without cheats as when you pick up the survivor if the saving survivor just starts to use the flashlight on your face at the right time its always going to be you dropping the survivor as its about timing and angles. You need to adapt to play against people and in the end relying on Lightborn is not going to teach you how to counter them. Simplest counters are just pick up towards walls or directions where survivor would have hard time to get an angle to save. Another good one is to fake the pick up so the saver gives themselves up and drive them off and pick up when they are too far to effect it.
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I do actually have the video maybe I'll upload it right now I'm stockpiling mass videos but yeah they are definitely running faster than me lol
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Hope in play? Team mate perks in play? There are so many reasons why a survivor would run faster than usual in endgame. I am curious to see the video! Hope you are able to :)
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Yeah the end game screen with all perks visible would be really useful.
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Look at loadouts if these two havent had perks for speed than its clear because in base 1v4 there isnt any other option for survivors to get haste only from perks and being damaged or hit by killer power like nemis whip.
Another fact is 4,4 killers except chacky I think have thick bottocks and that means that their trajectory around lets say some object like big rock (when both sides hug the rock meaning they make their trajectory shortest as possible) is faster than people think and shorter so even when killer is faster he still isnt realy in these situations that much faster like you think you have 10% bigger speed but in reality if survivor reacts well and hugs the loops sides you have in reality smaller speed than you think.
Flashlights that I cant tell vithout some vid but thing is that this game is rot through by subtle cheaters, people that have some more speed or heal with nothing in corner or teleport sometimes when there is noone around etc. and one of most used things there are like having more perks than they can have or some ability to blind killer through solid surface so they could be boosted by something but thats hard to tell from text like that either you have the experience to see it or you record it and rewatch it to be sure but the cheaters are here quite not rare so its highly possible they had something.
Bodyblocking is more used by people with brain like if you arent oni who isnt powered or you dont have any instadown the more experienced survivor will try to make chases of their buddy longer with bodablock or even do it to drag you on them like in swf when that guy has deliverence (for now survivors cant see their loadout but in future I believe they will so this will just get more common especialy against purely m1 damaging killers with no mobility to catch up). I find bodablocking more common but I take it as they know what they are knowing and nice game ends here for me and tunnel plus slugging has green since that bodablock (its tactic for top effiency so I will use my tactics for max efficiency too as payoff, some may find it cruel but its just game and if someone wants to compare than he has it).
Record would be nice but if you couldnt catch them in 115% speed and they didnt have any haste perks than its clear answer who you went against.
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There are just few perks that give haste and like one addon from medkits that has one use so I dont think that in base 1v4 there is tens of ways they both were faster just perks and if they werent there than its clear they had just premium gaming chair blessed by devs themselfs.
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Yup just ran into ANOTHER speed hacker, this game is actually getting on my nerves..
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Maybe you overcomplicating things, maybe he buyed new energy drink or mineral water with DBD brand from eshop.
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Drops pallet and runs 24 meters by the time I'm done breaking pallet, yep, I'm definitely overcomplicating things.
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It takes under 2,5 seconds to break a Pallet. This means a Survivor would be able to get around 10 meters of distance. For 24 meters, the Survivor would need to move with at least 200% Movement Speed, which is faster than anything achievable.
I honestly think you are really overexaggerating. And considering that I always never see Cheaters and you claim you run into multiple on a regular basis… Yeah, I dont believe it.
So I am actually very interested in videos and ideally those which also include the Endgame Screen so that all Perks are visible.
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That was sarcasm you dont need to take it that seriusly, if what you write is true than they were cheating unles they somehow achieve 99 sprintburst but that would meant they werent running all the time (you must know from info you saw in endgame screen where you see everyones loadout).
Cheaters are common here and there isnt saddly anything done with them.
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Blood Rush with SB tho. Been in my lobbies a bit lately.
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Yeah second thing it can be but others I dont find possible to make such distance in like 2,2 seconds because even sprintburst give you 18 meters in 3 seconds, he claims it was more than 20 which i find super hard to discuss because distancing in DBD isnt that easy. It was either some use of sprintburst or better gaming chair or he forget to mention he got stunned and they have smash hit.
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How is anyone measuring 'X meters'. You're doing this on visuals… its guesstimation. No one can look at a survivor/killer and watch them walk away… and say 'That was 18 and a third meters,' I know some can say 'You get X meters with Y perk' Great. This isn't that. Feels like a 'lost game → go to forums' type of thing.
When someone is putting forth an argument for themselves, exaggeration is only human imo. This is likely not that big a deal, but I don't want to dismiss OP's issue either. Rather let others do that.
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Survivor or killer has some speed thats same (effected by some perks or killer powers have some speed), its known fact that these stats are on wiki for the game and base survivor speed is 4 m/s so distance of sprintburst is fastest speed survivor can have basekit (it can be 10% faster with unhook bonus or some perks but these are single digits casualy which doesnt change that much in meters) so sprintburst gives you for 3 seconds 50% speed thats 6 m/s.
Its simple math nothing crazy, maybe not 100% accurate in terms of match distancing but you can see/tell clearly (most of times) if that survivor used something stronger thats not possible in vanila options for people that dont own eight wheel upgrade on their gaming chair (after seeing endgame sreen where that survivors loadout is clearly revealed).
Last point of verifying process is endgame screen (like if he had sprint+bloodrush and it was short time after his unhook you would know it was legit) where you see thats survivors loadout and can easily match these facts into your case especialy if you have this match recorded, even slightly speedding behind corners can be seen by some experienced players, even wallhacks can be told sometimes (because cheaters are most dum of all players and they wont think how to hide it becuase they suffer from main character syndrom in PvP), thats all there are ways to tell some ridicilous stuff from basick monitoring especialy if you record it or you cant cacth someone like with wraith in 10 seconds while cloaked you will know.
He has no video but from he wrote he should get to these survivors in time, scratch mirror is 110 speed (4,4 ms) with one addon that is must for this build to work (or you would be only with scratch mirror 105% speed which isnt good for chase), if he says truth and couldnt get them even in straight line which 110 speed killer should be able to do than its clear unless they run certain perk combo that gives haste but than that would be clear in endgame screen on these particular survivor he coudlnt catch.
Fun fact scracth mirror mayers is best wallhack exposure/detektor because you can clearly see people react to you behind walls where they have no clue or certeinity where you excatly are if you are hidden behind some walls like in indoor maps.
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Appreciate the write up, but it is still eyes looking and guessing. This gives room for anyone to simply say 'Like, omg they went 2965 meters! I saw it. Nerf!'
To people that can do what you are saying, awesome! Super human even, but I can't do that. I doubt a dev can do that. I siply can't buy this.
But thats alright! I dont need to. Props to whoever can do this.
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Yeah experience helps. Shack is a good way to estimate if someone is suspicious as running around it in most maps is about the same so as you play more you basically can tell when something is off as you know how fast survivor can run around shack and if they keep rounding the corner every time you get to the other to see they most likely are using some hack as that should not be possible. Still its always not that cut and dry in the end as there is perks to gain speed and as I have said always you only get your viewpoint and don't really know what is going on in any of the other four.
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