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Important Abandon Killer MMR Discussion
if a killer loses the match when he abandon the game he will simply bully survivors of lower skill level all the time without consequences which makes no sense to me, now let me explain, btw im not talking about killers that lost their match and decided to abandon, im talking about killers who clearly won the game yet still abandon the match when their option is available, many killers will use slug builds and abandon games after they win which will deflate their mmr and make dbd into bully simulator, mmr must be fixed, the best way is rank system where u have visual mmr where people cannot deflate their mmr behind the scenes, also check the picture below, this picture is from dbd stats, i had won that match i killed all 4 survivors and i did not abandon the match, why does it says that 3 survivors escape? is this a new tactic to falsely strategize the kill/escape rates? if the server reported that i had lost that match which i clearly did not, then it would be a problem. it means the entire system is fake. correct me if im wrong, but once u leave a game u simply lose, which it is how it should be, also dont allow killers to derank their mmr after they win their matches, i repeat, if im wrong u can try to correct me.
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There's a flipside to this that is a bigger problem than what you describe, since MMR is pretty loosey-goosey anyway. You need to lose a lot of matches to substantially affect your MMR, and this also completely discounts the Survivors' ability to influence the outcome of a trial.
To give an example, I had a Killer match yesterday where all 4 Survivors DCed at 4 gens. They played super aggressively, screwed up and a couple of them got downed and hooked early (Starstruck and Agitation is a hell of a combo on Deathslinger), and that's when they decided to quit. Three of them were wearing identical outfits, one of them had TTV in their name and they all ran what I would politely describe as "highly confrontational" builds, so I assume they were a SWF who DC'ed en masse when their plan to bully me wasn't going to work out. The 4th Survivor DCed when they saw the first 3 quit.
Now I'm in a game with 4 bots and have the option to either slog through a boring match against bots, or to abandon. If I abandoned, according to the game, I lost, when I clearly didn't actually lose. Aside from being kind of insulting that I have to take a hit because the opposition were bad sports, this is going to have weird knock-on effects to official statistics about winrates. That match would count against my winrate on Deathslinger, even though, once again, I didn't actually lose. I remember a Killer content creator showing that, according to BHVR's official stats website, their kill rate on a particular Killer wasas around 20%; not because they were bad, but because almost every match ended with Survivors abandoning after all being downed and hooked, and the Killer then choosing to abandon themselves instead of taking a load of time to wait out hook timers and find bots who will keep crawling or running nonstop.
If this outcome occurs consistently, either with a Killer that has to slug to some degree (like Twins or Artist) or an unpopular Killer against whom there's a higher chance of Survivors DCing earlier (like, uh, Twins or Artist), the stats for that Killer are going to look weird and distorted. But if BHVR simply discounts the matches where Survivors DC for the purposes of analysis (which apparrently they also do), that ALSO distorts the statistics in an even more egregious way. It creates a kind of survivorship bias where a significant chunk of the data is being discarded, and since we know BHVR makes a lot of balancing decisions based on the data they collect and not the contexts behind the data, this is bad news.
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Numbers no most likely nobody knows other that Behavior but if you lose MMR on specific abandon option is known. Only one where survivor does not lose MMR when they abandon is when all other survivors in the match are bots and for killer its the same when all survivor are bots.
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4x DC from survivors should result in the same immediate game end as a killer DC, with it being considered a 4K. Downing a bot is less about outplaying them and more herding them or exploiting their AI, it's easy but time consuming. It's not an expression of your skill in the game, there's no real fun to be had. If I wanted to chase bots around I'd run a custom game.
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There was some thread some time ago where someone spot that when someone abandonded or they (Idk how it was) they had in stats of their play loss and someone here from moderators said something that its just in players stats wrong but that abandon has no effect on mmr, now its on everyone if they believe that or not but from what I know its super hard to drop mmr I would say impossible because you would gain it faster than loosing it so this thread is more like shot in the dark.
Truth is no one realy knows, maybe even these guys which made and sell cheats to the mass of plebs abusing them dont know the numbers of mmr.
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the cheaters knows tho since the cheaters could see the visible mmr and if they abandon they can see if they gain or lose mmr.
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I dont think normal cheaters cans see this, devs wrote here (some moderator but I dont remember which) that by abandoning you wont loose mmr but Idk we are just guessing here, only thing we know that there are some brackets and thats it.
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I already stated earlier when you don't lose MMR when abandoning in other cases you always lose some. Its known that you lose the amounts you lose are not.
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Killers can only abandon when either all survs go bot or they play grabass for 10 minutes instead of doing gens. How is this even a problem?
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Yeah this ^
Absolutely ridiculous that we're expected to stay in a game of full bots to the end in order to get the win. It's insulting. If there's only bot survivors left, the killer has won.
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ive seen it on twitch and utube before of how the cheaters even saw their ingame mmr level, some content creators even noted that before.
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