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Will Rat behavior make a return.
With the rework of Self-Preservation you gain Elusive for 30 seconds when the Killer hooks a Survivor. If the killer comes to your location you'll probably be able to pre run and hide somewhere and even possibly use Extrasensory Perception for 11 more seconds.
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It would br super annoying to go against on indoor maps and very easy to loose the killer as survivor becsuse of elusive all abilities, notmaly you can loose survivor when he just has no scratch marks easily but no sound or blood makes this even more op.
It will have a negative effect tho, the killer will ignore more that person and focus on others and this makes it hated even between survivors.
Second thing I fear about this is 4 man with meta abusing it.
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How is it rat bevaviour if survivors can play stealthy?
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Sometimes when someone is hooked in second stage you save him and go hide because killer is coming, killer sees marks from injured guy and no one else so goes after him even if he doesnt want to. This doesnt applyes when you are dead on hook too than I get why you hide.
Thats exsample of rat behaviour because nos there are few or one perks that can help unhooked injured survivor to hide. Sometimes you cant hide because the teammate needs help to keep his existance in match its a team mode after all so I get stealth plays but some use them all the time even when its not great for good of a game and I have seen lot of these people in distortion era let me tell there isnt many things more irritating than teammate that plays for himself and just hides all the time only sandbagers can match this absolute level of blind, deaf buffalo. Stealth jas its place but its not solution for all situations and survivors around you will hate it more than killers if you will use all the time as unlimited solution count on that (funnily enough smart killer knows team that isnt playing togeather is easy to beat do to their lack of teamplay like no one will bodyblock or take the chase and leads killer away just hide totaly optimal game for killer his preasure is focused on less survivors meaning in majority of cases he will kill them fast and have more wins than against team where survivors help each other thats why swf teams 3 man and 4 man are so scary for vast majority of killers because they dont just hide and each man fends gor himself but they play like team thats why they are so strong than average soloq team).
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So before it's nerf Distortion was in the top 10 used Survivors perks and of course Killer players hated it but if a Survivor is just hiding all game and letting their team die other Survivors players don't like that and refer to it as Rat behavior.
Of course all players should play the way they want to but Survivors are on a team and need to work together to escape
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I don't really think rat behaviour ever left, you'll always get said players.
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Because they blame the perks and project playing styles on them. Some people thought that anyone running Distortion before was a rat when killers are lazy and run aura perks to find survivors to chase and not really do any patrolling gens. They just go where they see aura. Like the Distortion player can sit on the gen fixing them the whole match and doing hook saves and still get called what ever others want because some people still would claim them to be rats. In this game stealth is part of the gameplay and if the killer can't find you its not your fault and even if you watch all top content creators they will stealth until the killer finds them if they are not doing chase content. Like why are you allowing yourself to be found without any effort from the killer why is it your fault that he uses aura perks that you want to counter. My opinion is that Windows of Opportunity has always been bigger problem and way worse for the killer than Distortion ever was but Distortion was the one that got the blame because it was the easier for killers to see the effect while playing. Then also causing survivor players get annoyed because they saw someone hiding from the killer with the perk even if they were playing and fixing gens. Quite many people have this picture of the game its chase simulator where you need to be chased by the killer and not try to avoid them ever if you don't get chase or the killer some reason leaves you every time you loop him for a time you are hiding and not doing your part.
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I was using SP, Iron Will, and Lucky Break last night and I'm far from a rat. I was intentionally baiting hits then loosing the killer to waste their time, protecting teammates that were on gens. I won quite a few solo matches because of it. Almost all my escapes were 3 or 4 outs. You can absolutely use stealth perks for team assists.
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I have almost never encountered such a playstyle with Distortion around. And nerfing Distortion into uselessness does not even change anything, it just means that players who want to play that stealthy spend more time in Lockers.
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I saw it maybe once or twice of people sneaking around from the start not touching gens with the old Distortion but yes really rare but as I have observed when someone complains about something its happening to them all the time, every match and even when they are sleeping.
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When distortion was in meta state I ecounteted quite a lot of these people called rats, happened in situations like 3 people alive on 2 gens left and they were stealthing in corners waiting for hatch like solo survivor perk abusers or they saved you from hook (someone) and hid which wouldnt be so criminal unless killer was near or came bacb because he had no where about on other survivors and this guy hid while you were dead on hook guess wha happened next killer came looked around found out me or that poor soul and went for him.
I dobt remember number but this was pretty common in my games when distortion was meta and ofcourse all these solo survivors were usind it because it had no drawbacks only made their stealthing better.
I was using distortion too but mainly because it was strong perk that gave you lot of safety from killers info perks and told you almost what auta perk or addon was that killer using but instead of hiding in corners and farming teammates from hook I played like I do taking chases and going for bodyblock or try to get killers attention when it was needed something most pf people running distortion werent doing.
When playing killer it was quite helpfull to have such rat against me like you couldnt find him with aura perk but than it meant others that didnt run distortion were picked and killed first which lead to rest two hiding for hatch, pretty easy 3-4 k games.
One thing is playing stealthy and doging killer while wasting his time but doing it when its not beneficial for team only for you when you werent even hooked and people around you are almost dead hook or are dead hook than thats totaly different thing.
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I do just fine with Deerstalker
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I think it's fine. If people wanna play stealth then let them. Everyone cries about the "rulebooks" in this game and how they don't want to be restricted in how they play, and that should apply to everyone
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I would say they were rats (by behaviour I described in my post before) if someone gets you killed faster while not helping or even trying than I would say its rat behaviour ( if someone eats all cheese and lets others starve while cat is hunting them thats rat behaviour for me).
I would say 2 survivors in 5 games something like that, distortion in meta was few months and I played survivor a lot in that time window, when someone was playing hiding simulator there was almost guarantee chance they ran distortion but I found these players way more than today, not enjoyable time to play soloq just getting bafoon in team that just hid sll the time or farmed you from hook and hid nothing better to get than sandbager isnt much possible in soloq as teammate.
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Some people arent scared but more selfish which is great trade to have in team oriented game its like that woman on highway in griffins
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This is why I take any of these claims where people go "every match" or "many matches" without showing any recent match history for example as proof as them exaggerating to try to make their point more serious or valid as just hot air. Its quite human way of reaction to something you get annoyed about you start seeing it everywhere you start linking behavior to it and start jumping to conclusions without any real critical thought. Like lets say the person plays a match gets that behavior in it gets annoyed. They play few matches more nobody does that behavior but then they once again get a match where someone does it. They basically forget the matches in between and go "I see this all the time" and eventually it evolves "I see it in all matches" when it happens few more times.
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Rats are bane for survivors especialy those in soloq because on swf atleast duo you have someone who cares and will try to help you but when you are alone depending on others and some of them arent active in helping (in a way thats for good of the team and chance for your survival).
These people “rats” are best ally for killer, they help him in his goal harming the survivor team from inside helping him in getting his job done. Only way rat like survivor can help his team in survival is when killer is wasting his time trying to look for him, but this isnt common and smart killers know when to drop chase as when its pointless to look for someone, when the unhook happens and they see only marks (scratch marks plus blood) and that survivor they will commit for him.
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I believe this is called negativity bias. And yup, we see it alot in this community
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Lately people play more efficient nowdays I saw them pretty often when distortion was meta but now I dont see them that much and if I do trs rare.
Cheaters are more in my games 3 days back I faced 3 of them through one evening with slinger, they are so dumb they dont find it obvious I will tell when I cant catch them around short tile in 8 rounds without using my power just pushing W and gaining bloodlust and loosing the chase due to speed or see clearly they run wallhacks because I had Im all ears aura effect few times on them on tall loop or if they pick teammate few seconds after I downed them into full health state or guy not running for gate shen he has teammates for bodyblock running there instead trying to loop me and than running to excat spot where hatch spawns few seconds after all left no coincidence he knew where it will be and no hatch offering on yamoka. Things like this and ofcourse they dont have some perks to cover some actions they did and have mark that shows they play on different platform mostly epic games clear subtle cheater.
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Because they ARE rare. And they still happen. As I said in a previous post, the only difference might be that Rats now have to spend more time in Lockers.
The last time I encountered a rat was a week ago or so. And that person was so inactive that they had an AFK-crow, something I have not seen in months before. And this person was basically using Still Sight and Left behind to see where the Killer is and if Hatch spawns, to see where the Hatch is. But this does not mean that either of those Perks needs to be nerfed, because they are simply not good. And it is the behavior of the people which is an issue, but I would not even consider this a big problem. Because it is very rare and there is not really any way to change it. They tried to make AFK-Crows more aggressive, but this backfired because they were too common and people would get AFK-Crows just for evading the Killer in normal gameplay.
And the real reason why Distortion was nerfed was because it was a good Perk and Killers complained about it. Because suddenly Killer Mains think of Survivors being unproductive and hiding and care for SoloQ, when the reality was that people claimed that they never find people because of Distortion and it would lead to tunneling, because Survivors without Distortion would be tunneled.
Obviously the question appears what people do who dont run any Aura Perks at all, because they would probably play under perma-Distortion and still get Kills… But this was not really a thought the Devs had when nerfing Distortion, they just did it because people complained.
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With all the complaints about gens flying, second chance perks, and survivors being more efficient in general, I'm kind of confused on how people apparently see rats often
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Idk I don't see a reason to use it over typical perks you would normally run
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- Foreword: I'm the typical player who has OoO in all his builds. Can you please let people play however they want? It's like complaining about a killer who has the entire "stealth" build. Playing the Gen Rush build is no good, playing the "second chance" build is no good, playing the Uber Mega Power Medic build is no good, sprint burst is no good, lithe is no good, WoO is no good.... exactly how do you want survivors to play? This whole thing of complaining about everything, especially survivor perks that actually do something, is starting to get ridiculous.
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just learnt that the survivor rulebook wants stealth killers deleted lol
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they should’ve just made it give Elusive to yourself after being unhooked as anti-tunnel since they didn’t make it basekit. much more healthier and doesn’t encourage the killer to tunnel (which the current version does). I’ve ran it a couple of games and i don’t like it personally. it feels like i rarely get found and ends up with matches where 2 or 3 of my teammates are death hook or even dead and im at 0 hooks because the killer could never find me within a reasonable time after getting a hook.
the current version is lore accurate for Yun-Jin but we should always prioritize gameplay over lore accuracy no matter what.
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Survivors hid all game LONG before distortion was a thing, you guys love to conveniently forget that the spike in distortion usage was due to Ultimate Weapon the perk and all the aura reading killers started running in general around that time. This was around the time aura reading huntress made a comeback too which was why it was paired with calm spirit because the perk roamed with the killer at the time.
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Honestly ratting is a strategy. Just like Tunneling or slugging is strategies for killer. They shouldn't remove it just make it counterable so its apart of the game.
If players cant stand Players using strategies to win then what is the point in this being a strategy game
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Are we really complaining about a perk that still won't see the time of day in survivor builds? If it makes you feel better, OP - I still won't use it, so one less "rat" you gotta deal with.
Oh my, a survivor gets a situational status effect when another survivor gets hooked.
So groundbreaking and OP!!
I will edit that I never understood the term of ratting. To me, it's just a negative negging word for someone who is hiding from the killer. It depends on the context of it, but we already have the crow mechanic in the game that goes against it, so I don't know see why it's a major issue.
Situational perk still won't be used.
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Who says I'm complaining? I'm just asking a question to the community on their opinion is all. Honestly I wouldn't mind if they added Elusive to more perks like Come and Get Me or Low Profile.
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Ultimate Weapon only revealed Auras in patch 7.7.0 and it was quickly reverted in 7.7.1 to be at the lockers location of 32 meters. Distortion was a top 10 perk for a couple of years and I believe Survivors used it to mostly counter BBQ, Letal, and Nowhere to Hide.
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I honestly never liked the developers trying to make "looping" the meta playstyle. Apparently killers can play stealthy, but survivors can't? That's some bullcrap. It's already bad enough that they've added so many aura reading perks while gutting distortion.
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ultimate weapon revealed auras, made survivors blind AND made them scream when it was released and the killer could roam with the effect around the map as well.
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Everything except the Aura part is true
https://deadbydaylight.wiki.gg/wiki/Ultimate_Weapon#7.2.0-0
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The fundamental difference between stealth for survivors and killers is that killers use it to get the drop on a survivor and start a chase. Survivors use it to avoid chase altogether.
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Biggest problem with ratting is that they kinda let other survivors just die faster but is someone plays mainly killer tha nhe shouldnt realy be against that because it rewards him while he doesnt need to do much just play normaly and rat will betray its teammates for that cheese (hatch or getting out from killer by leading him to gen where another surv is etc.).
People that hide all game arent altruistic and even the fact that altruism kills there are situations where altruism is needed (like going for same that leads into trade when the hooked guy is near its death in stage two to ge more time or take away more killers time), they just hide and less targets plus time means usualy the killers preasure will be focused on these survivors that doesnt hide which means they will die faster usualy which goes more to killers benefit.
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Well said. This community has said time and time again they want the freedom to play as they like. That means accepting other people can play the way they like too
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Are we seriously trying to imply that killers used Ultimate Weapon, the perk you "guys" implied took time out of your game - a matter of a couple seconds to open a locker, caused the survivors to scream, and reveal their location.
Bear in mind, this perk wasn't tied to the locker.
Same thing for Nowhere To Hide, just say you want to play on auto-pilot. Like I said, if WOO is auto-pilot for survivor - NTH is most definitely auto-pilot for killer, same thing for Ultimate Weapon until people complained when it got nerfed. Same thing for Weave Attunement before Behavior finally started showing the items to the survivor, which then killer mains started crying that it was unusable.
It's always survivors with their rat behavior or auto-pilot tendencies but let's not kid ourselves - if you cannot use tracking to find someone without aura reading - that is a skill issue in and of itself.
You see a video on "rat behavior" and it becomes a negging term for survivor. Lord, but when does a term become a thing for killer? I'm just gonna say it I guess - you "guys" play on auto-pilot, if you are genuinely telling me that people used UW and NTH because of "ratting", it's just disingenuous - I'm sorry. I would use killers and I never went out of my way to abuse UW and WA and it's not surprising on which side abused it until it was nerfed.
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