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When is it fine to throw another survivor under the bus?
Recently I've noticed more survivor players ratting on each other to the killer, obviously working with the killer is against the rules. But so is refusing to engage with normal game play.
As killer I'll always punish people who try to offer me other survivors or sandbag them during chase. But you will sometimes see those situations where you have a survivor who won't heal, won't do gens, won't unhook and just creeps around with a key avoiding killer waiting for hatch. Often with your usual suspect perks: self care, urban evasion, quick and quiet etc, often with a hatch offering too. Saw one particularly nasty example where an Ace got hold of the hand of vecna and was locker teleporting whenever anyone came near him.
This behaviour basically throws the match for survivors, so if the other survivors clock on and are able to set the killer on them? I'd be interested to know people's takes on this particular situation.
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I think that it is against the rules of fair play and should remain so on technicality. If we start making this okay, players will begin stretching the boundaries of what an acceptable reason to sell out a teammate is. Baby players may hide often because they're not confident in their own ability and see success by doing so. It would suck for the longetivity of the game if new players also experience their teammates sabotaging them for reasons they don't understand. Plus, it's really easy to miss what they did contribute due to negativity bias, so there's always a chance you're ruining the game for someone earnestly trying their best.
However, I fully understand why someone would do it. I've had rat teammates before, and it really does suck because they started the game acting this way with full intention of everyone else dying just so they can get an escape without engaging with the game in a meaningful way. I've been in a game where 3 survivors were on death hook, with the remainder on zero. They hadn't done anything beyond hiding and touching a gen to avoid crows only when absolutely safe to do so and didn't stay on the gen despite getting no pressure. While I haven't done it myself, I completely understand why one might be tempted to tame the killer and direct them to a player like that.
As killer, I've tunnelled in response to someone trying to sandbag before, because the locker they were pointing to contained a player I had seen contributing plenty. But, I admit, I have deliberately hunted down the 0-hook stealth player when I'm 6 hooks deep and they're on 4-5 gens still, including accepting tip offs from survivors as to their location.2 -
If you hide all game not doing anything, you deserve it. But this kind of ratting is rare and it's just best to move on. The killer will most likely notice and try to get them anyway.
I only had one bad case this year. Two people ratting all game with keys while a teammate and I got chased for minutes (each). The killer got salty at me and tunneled me. The other teammate died because he was doing gens. The rats were locker hopping in basement but the killer managed to find them. The most tilting match of solo queue more than people who give up.1 -
I usually play normally and see what can be done with the others in that situation. I don't go out of my way to draw the Killer attention to that specific Survivor, since I know some players prefer that playstyle or might be trying to complete a challenge.
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I get why it happens sometimes. But I've had many instances where it's completely unjustified. Really wish there was a mechanism to hide your aura from your teammate in the 2v1. Had way too many bad experiences where the teammate sells me out and the killer goes along with it.
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I don't like that people just throw others to the killer, giving away their position. It's a game. You might no survive, you might feel unfair that your character dies before another player that in your opinion was less useful that match, but that is not an excuse to try to sell another person's position to save yourself.
A few year ago, I remember I had a match where it was only me and a Claudette left, against a Hillbilly and she was injured. I ran empathy, so I could see that he found her and they were trying to find me, so I just had to keep away and eventually the killer was fed up and killed her, while I got the hatch. In this case, she got what she deserved, but if it was the other way around, I wouldn't bring the killer to her. I would just have let the killer kill me and move on.
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When they are already on their way there because of their incompetence, or if they are a cheater, or if they refuse to do anything helpful.
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Yh the 2 survivors left situation is always tense. Personally for me it's just whoever the killer sees first is going down and the other has a chance at hatch. Usually if I get caught I'll just try to speed up the hook so hatch spawns. And if I'm on the other side I don't tend to go for the unhook unless I know killer is well away from it, sonce it usually just reults in both players going down.
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Working with the killer under any circumstances as a survivor, no matter the intention, is against the rules per the in game report system "working with the killer." Unless those categories and wording are changed, it is not okay period. Likewise, killers can be reported as well by "refusing to participate in normal gameplay."
Tl;dr - for both sides, it is clearly against the rules and a bannable offense no matter the intention.
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So a survivor is allowed to deliberately throw the game, sandbag and ruin the game for all involved with no penalty then?
I'm not asking if it's against the game rules because i know it categorically is. I'm just asking for people's personal take on it. If someone is going to ruin your game by breaking the rules themselves, and you have a way to combat it in the moment would you do so? Like if you could sandbag someone who was hacking and ruining the game for all 4 other players and stop them from cheating, I think most people would.
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So because someone breaks the law and runs a red light, does it then give you the authority to do the same? Two wrongs don't make a right. Put your ego away and realize that this person's behavior has nothing to do with you, nor will your attempt at vigilante moderation change anything about the person you are trying to spite.
The only thing you can do is leave a report and move on.
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there was a reason why the killer allowed them to sell you out. What I normally do is the person who lasted long on chase or actually was trying to win gets to live.
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Skewed example. Breaking the rules of a game isn't anything like breaking the literal law. Someone running a red doesn't directly affect me and driving dangerously to "teach them a lesson" is insane and dangerous.
Somebody breaking the rules in a game I'm playing to ruin it for me and all others involved, when i have a theoretical way to counter it and I just shrug, roll over and let them get away with throwing the game so they can get hatch? Doesn't seem the same.
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You do not have the authority to police this game as if you were some form of in game moderator. You breaking rules to "counter the troll" means you are now guilty of breaking rules. It's really that simple. Your ego is the only reason you find it "acceptable" to try and rulebreak your way into "countertrolling." If you don't want to risk a ban, then don't break the rules.
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I've honestly hopped aboard the Deerstalker train and just kill em all. As a 100% BP main, I sweat for the 3k/2k but I'm always open to letting the last person go, and if one of them is trying to win or they got accidentally tunneled while Mr.rat has never been hooked, I'm gonna ignore the obvious survivor and hunt down the hider. I have a policy to chase everybody once, a la old BBQ style.
it's my personal policy to kill all people who sell their teams out. that's illegal and unsportsmanlike. However, players are human and do the things they do because people feel emotions and sometimes as the 5th player in the match I can feel frustrated for survivors on their own behalf. I let Fengs go because they are cute, so choosing to target trolls is the same thing. I can go for whoever I want. I believe that positive behaviors should be rewarded and negative behaviors aught to be punished because when I play survivor, I cheer for the killers when I get active detriment to the team.
to clarify, I'm not the "pick up a survivor and have them follow the aura". those are the types I report because that's how my solo q matches go when I equip Fixated and I end up on RPD. I do all the gens and saves, but people get upset that im good at not being found and waste the killers time.
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I never said I did, you're the one who's making thinly veiled accusations that I pull these kinds of stunts. Which by the way I don't.
I was interested to see what peoples instinct was in these situations. Since the absolute rules in this game aren't exactly well enforced. As evidenced by the consistent active hackers/cheaters in the game still being rife.
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For me, it's circumstantial. If someone keeps unhooking me and not healing me but they expect me to heal them, I don't heal them anymore. Or if someone keeps blowing multiple skill checks on my gens, I won't do gens with them anymore. Anything negative has to be done so often that it reads as deliberate, otherwise I cut them a lot of slack. The game is stacked against us to begin with and Lord knows how inconsistent matchmaking is; it's not worth starting a clique on top of that.
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In a 2v1 it's every survivor for themselves.
If it's a 4v1 and they are being dead weight then have it.
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Yh 2v1 is always interesting. I'll absolutely leave someone to die on hook, going for that unhook really just ensures you both die. And conversley I'm not bothered about dying on hook in a 2v1. I'll rush it too so other person can get hatch.
I wouldn't rat in 2v1s personally. Whoever gets naturally caught first takes the L.
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"throwing someone under the bus" is kinda subjective. I feel like you should always play your role to your best effort without ruining the fun for the other side. And from killerside that's clear: kill the survivors and no tunneling, slugging etc
From survivorside it's not always as clear. For me it means you want to get out, but also with as many other survivors as possible. So do your gens, look out for eachother and help eachother out. I'll only give up on a fellow survivor if he/she was being toxic or going back for them means suicide. (But I won't hide and do nothing, never ... I mean I play for fun and just creeping around looking at rocks and trees for about 15 min isn't fun to me)
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