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Slugging Billy?

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  • Reinami
    Reinami Member Posts: 6,850

    That's not sportsmanship. Sportsmanship is like, not being toxic in endgame, or saying "gg" at the end. Shaking hands after the game, if it were. Sportsmanship is not "well technically this thing isn't against the rules, but because its unfun i'm going to be mad at you for doing it"

    Expecting empathy from ANONYMOUS people who you will probably never meet again is never going to end well.

  • Rulebreaker
    Rulebreaker Member Posts: 2,683

    When Googled:

    Sportsmanship is the ethical, courteous, and fair behavior exhibited by participants in sports, encompassing respect for opponents, officials, and teammates, alongside grace in both winning and losing. Key examples include applauding an opponent, accepting decisions without complaint, and shaking hands after a game. It prioritizes integrity and respect over winning at any cost.

    Key Aspects of Sportsmanship

    Fair Play: Adhering to both the written rules and the spirit of the game.

    Respect: Treating opponents, officials, and teammates with courtesy.

    Graceful Losing: Accepting defeat without making excuses or blaming others.

    Respectful Winning: Celebrating victory without gloating or taunting opponents.

    So…some of this is being violated here. No integrity, likely no respect, no spirit, and definitely not treating the opponent with courtesy.

    Tell us, why's it to much to ask for basic decency from the other players? Dbd is a cesspool yes but humans CAN be decent to each other, why not in a game with nothing at stake?

  • Reinami
    Reinami Member Posts: 6,850
    edited April 27

    Yeah, it says it right there, its about how you treat people and ADHERING TO THE WRITTEN RULES. I know you are going to argue "spirit" but again, i already said you can't do that when these set of "rules" that go against the "spirit of the game" aren't even able to be defined because they are subjective to everyone. People can't even agree on what tunnel and slugging are, and you somehow want to, before a game starts, with anonymous players that you can't even speak to before the game starts, somehow come up with a set of rules that you all are going to follow that will keep the game "fair" for everyone? That is never going to happen.

    explain to me how we are going to, without being able to even communicate with each other, decide that "ok no tunneling this game, also tunneling means this very specific thing" and have that discussion when nobody can consistently define it?

    And again, it brings be back to my other point of it being allowed. Are we going to be mad at the other team in baseball because they "stole a base" even though its technically allowed? But its unfair and "cheap" right?

    And of course, why for some reason is the onus always on the killer player to be this paragon of "fun" and "fair play". Why do survivors get to bring 4 dead hards and use basekit BT to body block while forcing a DS? Why do they get to bring 4 fast tracks and commodius with BNPs? Why is it ALWAYS on the killer player?

    Lastly, i'm not trusting an AI as any kind of source of information.

  • Reinami
    Reinami Member Posts: 6,850

    Also, i'd argue that you expecting someone to play unoptimally because its "not fun" in a competitive setting, is unsportsmanlike

  • Rulebreaker
    Rulebreaker Member Posts: 2,683

    To be blunt adhering to the written rules basically means no cheating. And if you going for the treatment route then it's not good for the sportsmanship argument is it? After all treating the others like disposable toys isn't very good.

    For spirit yes you can. There ARE obvious things that a majority agree on like Valuetown said. What would you call dropping a chase from across the map to try and rehook the recently unhooked survivor? What else would that possibly be? While most are case by case, there are some things where you really can't call it something else without deliberately choosing to ignore it. You don't have to be strictly fair, just not being (censored) by repeatedly using tactics that all but the newest players know are hated, especially out the gate.

    My someone almost remembered the bats~ Almost. The baseball bats are for whom to blame. What we had was someone doing something to you and you want to blame the people who make the bats instead of the guy swinging it at your face. It being "allowed" doesn't magically mean that person is absolved of their own actions.

    Its on the killer generally because they're the ones who more easily dictate the pace. Tell, when do survivors dictate the pace of a trial? Usually it's when the killer is hopelessly outclassed. Killers also have various easy to use comeback tactics (which are some of the very things being abused and complained about) while the survivors rely generally on luck or the killers mercy.

    ... didn't you use Google before when you wanted to define something? I need to go hunting

  • Rulebreaker
    Rulebreaker Member Posts: 2,683

    Well, the next argument is that this isn't a fully competitive setting.

  • Valuetown
    Valuetown Member Posts: 964

    The reason you would consider the "onus" on the killer is because the killer has the power in 99 out of 100 matches (the last 1 out of 100 being a 4 man comp swf). The killer is the power role and thus they are the ones with the ability to flex said power in unsportsmanlike ways. I can't tell you how many times people have been bled out for 4 minutes because the killer "felt like it." Would you consider that good sportsmanship?

    Also I don't think anyone has a problem with killers tunneling or slugging if that is the correct play to do so, but like Rulebreaker said, there is a fine line between doing it as an optimal strategy and doing it out of disrespect.

    Are we going to be mad at the other team in baseball because they "stole a base" even though its technically allowed? But its unfair and "cheap" right?

    Nobody is getting genuinely mad that the rules of baseball allow people to steal bases, nor is anyone calling that "cheap."

    Lastly, i'm not trusting an AI as any kind of source of information.

    Do you accept the Merriam-Webster Dictionary definition? Here it is: conduct (such as fairness, respect for one's opponent, and graciousness in winning or losing) becoming to one participating in a sport.

    Expecting empathy from ANONYMOUS people who you will probably never meet again is never going to end well.

    The change anyone wishes to see in the world starts with themselves.