Grimoire Chapter Perks revealed

Steadfast seems to be a 3 gen counter. The gen doesn't need to be near the totem but the gen closest to it, even across the map. Otherwise, it's not that useful in a normal match.

I mean no disrespect here, but my takes are as thus:

Lay Waste - Worthless, save for a Surge synergy.
Under Your Thumb - Totem. Worthless. Totems need to either be 'jesus god' strong or they aren't worth taking typically.
Vigilance - "No, we have Deerstalker at home," Deerstalker at home.

Steadfast - Sandbag :tm:
Salvation's Cry - Wario Bond if ordered from Teemu
Fruits of Your Labor - Adrenaline, but better. Much like Five Moves Ahead (sp?) is just WoO but better.

The only one worth thinking about is Fruits of Your Labor. If the effects stack per token all around, this is incredibly overpowered, but doesn't look it at a glance. It's Adrenaline on steroids that triggers 5 times, each trigger becoming stronger. It's absurd. At 5 gens it heals a state (adrenaline) and gives a slightly weaker haste than Adrenaline. However, if stacked and triggered with SB and Adrenaline (even with diminishing returns) that would give it an 87% haste. Brief though it is, that's insane going into end game.

That's, again, assuming Fruit of Your Labor stacks duration, haste, and healing progress per token. If it only stacks haste duration for each token and not haste speed it's not as busted, but it's still pretty insane that it will trigger that much in a given match. Far, far, far outshines Adrenaline, and stackable with Adrenaline. Worrisome, that.

I laid out a scenario where you could make the perk work with its downside

No, you're not. You're burying it under a bunch of other perks and items in an effort to obfuscate the problem. You're not 'making the perk work' because in the scenarios you present, the perk is still not working. It's still massively slowing you down for no relevant benefit.

You are plucking the perk out of that situation and then judging that exact snapshot against a blanco situation. But that is not a fair assessment.

No matter how much +repair speed you throw at it, this perk is still slowing down you and your teammates by slapping on a -50% repair speed penalty.

There's no disingenuous optimism here. I think the perk is probably gonna be pretty mediocre.

Everyone else recognises this as a killer perk, as a sandbag perk, and then you come in pretending it's 'mediocre' because if you stack enough repair speed on it, you can pretend it doesn't slow you down.

The one thing I can give you is that if you judge the perk without that -50% repair speed penalty, it does scratch the underside of mediocre.

But it does have that penalty, so if you take 'barely mediocre' and slap -50% repair speed on it, what do you get?

To quickly clarify before I disengage here:

"Normal repair speed" here isn't normal for any scenario without the perk, it's just one charge per second. You could achieve that by throwing two more survivors on the gen, or you could achieve it with a toolbox, or whatever else. At that point, yes, you offset the penalty to be repairing at normal speed.
What you're both doing is talking about whether that offsetting is WORTH it, and because you think it isn't, you're concluding I must think it is, even though I've said it probably won't be.

My argument, remember, is that it isn't a detriment, not that it's better than doing any other repair speed builds. My position, because I don't like how hard we're drifting away from it, is this:

"The bigger problem with the perk is that it affects your teammates, because the downside can be offset by you if you really wanted to run the perk yourself."

I've clarified my position. On paper, this perk could be made to be a mediocre benefit instead of an active detriment. That's not a great position for a perk to be in, but there's a far bigger problem than that.

No, because in the situation you describe, the -50% is still there, even if you, personally, choose to ignore it. The perk is still negatively impacting that build.

Everything seems fine altogether steadfast should just be reworked into something entirely different. Buffing it risks having some really stupid interactions with stuff like hyperfocus, bardic inspiration, one two three four, stakeout, etc.

The hex from Under Your Thumb will be broken immediately. Survivors load, run to the first gen, oh, that hex just lit up I better break it. Change this to make it a lit totem at the start. Having a dull totem light up will be like handing survivors information they shouldn't have.

Steadfast being a boon and providing a negative 50% speed to gens in the area is going to become the biggest sandbag perk solo queue could get. It needs to be changed. My idea to change it - Make it be only on the player using it, not a boon, and make it have limited charges that are gained the first time you boon a totem. First time you boon a totem (obviously you'd need a separate boon), get ~5 charges that provide 1% permanent progress each, every time you get a great skill check. Now it won't be entirely garbage in solo queue, but it also won't be completely overpowered in synergized SWF builds like it will be if it goes live the way it is.

The rest seem fine.

real talk the boon perk is trash, there's no version that is balanced though.

Here are my ideas on how I'd improve some of these perks (in case BHVR wants feedback)

Lay Waste: Decrease the cooldown. The effect is not nearly as powerful to warrant a 2 minute cooldown.

Hex: Under Your Thumb: Make it apply a harsher penalty, limiting Haste to, say, 15%. This makes this effect apply to many more perks than just the 5-6 it would before.

Boon: Steadfast: So, for quick improvements, you have the obvious elephant in the room (the -50% repair speed), which should be adressed. I don't see it as necessary. Another possible change is making it so Good skill checks also count towards the perk.

What would you consider the best use of the perk be then? 3 gen was my guess on what the Devs made the perk for.

Some of these perks need some help. More "Permanent Progression" perks are a bad idea at this time imo. Here's an idea I had for Vigilance so that it wouldn't be so… bland. Think Potential Energy for killer where they can charge a strong gen kick by either revealing the Obsession's aura for a good bit or by making the Obsession change during the game.

Vigilance

• This perk starts with 0 tokens. For each second the aura of the Obsession is revealed to you, you gain 1 token, up to 20.
• Every time you basic-break a generator, all tokens are spent.
• For each token you have, your next basic-break action reduces that generator's progress by an extra 1%.
• Every 30s, if the Obsession is at least 36/34/32m away from you, you see their Aura for 5s.
• If the Obsession changes from one survivor to another, this perk gains 10 tokens.
• If the Obsession is dead, this perk deactivates

A perk that has synergy with many different unconventional perks and playstyles, doesn't promote tunneling, and provides meaningful regression (but doesn't stack cleanly with other regression perks) would be very appreciated.

Under Your Thumb is just bad as shown. It only affects exhaustion perks which killers have non hex answers to. The only way to salvage it's current design to prevent survivors from gaining haste at all.

it was going to always be like this lol

Or alternatively make the limit affect more perks. only about 6 perks exceed 25%, but if it was, say, 15%? It would be more effective.