The killer main entitlement is so much worse then survivor main and I am tired of it.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I've not much to say on your experience because it sounds like it sucks, and clearly came from a total misunderstanding on the part of your team, should your recount be accurate. I won't lie that I've been a survivor in a game where one teammate has no hookstates, with everyone else on 2, and wondered whether or not they were hard ratting. I never call something like that out without hard proof, though, because otherwise you end up with this kind of situation.

Clearly, someone made the call too early, others agreed, and you were unfairly targeted as a result. As killer, I've let 3 out and killed 1 in the event of a deliberate sandbag. I've also had BBQ & Chili reveal someone edgemap hiding from very early in the game, and hunted them down for doing so, but only to spread hooks in a game I was clearly going to win regardless of how I played.

The other players here likely thought they were enacting justice.

I do disagree firmly with one part of what you said though:
The Judgement's power interacting with known survivor BM is not a result of killer entitlement so much as it is an acknowledgement of the silliness that takes place in the game. It's entirely counterable by simply not emoting or bagging in the killer's face, something that was never an optimal play to begin with. If it was anything other than an on-theme joke, they'd apply this mechanic to all killers to appease people upset about BM. They are not doing that, however, so it's quite clear that's not the thinking behind this addition.

So you had one match where the killer didn’t let you get hatch like you wanted and this means that all killer players are entitled? Attitudes like this is why there is so much divisiveness and toxicity in this community. So sick and tired of the “us vs them”

It is not really a strawman. Some time ago (not recent, but also not ancient times) a very popular answer to Threads with complaints about Killers being toxic was that either one of the Survivors was toxic before or that Survivors from the previous game have been toxic and the Killer needed to vent. It was not really accepted that Killer players could also be toxic.

This has gotten way less, this is true, you barely see it nowadays. But it was different.

Yeah, saying that it was once not a strawman would have been correct. But @GeneralV spoke about the past and in the past it was indeed seen that Survivors are monster coated monsters with monster filling and Killers are cute little fluffballs who just want to have fun.

It went past that, but not because there was a decrease in Killer toxicity. Both sides have a bunch of very toxic people.

No worries, sometimes things make more sense in my head compared to what I write, lol.

The point is that the killer sided with the survivors and accused OP of being a bad teammate when they weren't. Killers teaming with survivors is bannable.

Part of the problem is that the killer often doesn't know what's happening. I try my best as killer to gage and referee what's going on on the survivor end. If people give up, those are the ones I hook. The ones who keep trying and being active are the ones I let go if other people are ruining the match. A day doesn't go by where I don't give someone hatch for this reason. Letting people leave for throwing is kinda crap, and I've lost a lot of lives as survivor from teammates throwing and the killer having zero consideration for it.

I had a survivor match yesterday where my whole team had two hooks and I had none. Once it got down to two people, he slugged the other and left her as bait for me. I left my gen and picked her up and he relentlessly pursued me, tunneling me out, and the other player got hatch. I wasn't on Steam for this match, but I'm sure he called me a rat in chat, even though I spent the whole match unhooking, healing, and doing gens, and I went for the pick up rather than wait for bleed out. He just couldn't find me, so I must be a rat. I'm currently running a stealth build that let's me be active without detection so I have to expect a certain amount of that, I guess, but it does suck to be doing the most and have them judge you just because they can't see what you're doing.

So yeah, there's toxicity, entitlement, and just misunderstansing on both sides. Most people seem to play both roles, so they're not going to be different people when they switch. It's all one playerbase.

More often than not, I see players who has bad rep in both roles. Being toxic just for the sake of it.
It's really not a side-issue, it is respectfully a player issue.

I'm agreeing with OP's point with The Judgement BM power thing.

If this was any other game I would have agreed with you and thought "Oh yeah its a funny bit about funny pointing and taunting" but this is DbD and this game has a certain context when it comes to the community and how they feel about "pointing, T-bagging and standing in the exit gate" for this instance we'll talk about how certain killer players react when survivors stand at the exit gate.

A forum post was made a while ago and there have been many like it where that killer player was complaining about a match they just had about survivors standing in the exit gate and asking them to just leave. I told them he can just hit them out and force them out that way if it was bothering them that much. Their response then was about how its for "the survivors ego that they miss the hit". Just them making the killer miss a swing at the exit gate pissed off that player so much they made the effort to go to the forums to talk about "survivor ego's and toxicity" and unfortunately most players were agreeing with what that OP said.

So with that ramble out of the way. I think this part of Judgements power just doesn't sit right with me as it just looks like the devs are siding with these players that complain that a survivor was doing something they deem "toxic" but at the same time when a killer is toxic like with what this OP's post is about the survivors are either told to deal with it or what happened to OP and you just stop playing because that kind of match would just ruin the game for everyone.

JUST TO PREFACE THIS. Im not saying one side is more toxic or than the other or this us vs them mindset. I think both killers and survivors are honestly as bad as each other. Toxic and bullies for no rhyme or reason.

You know I didnt even notice that you make a really good point. HOWEVER….We know BHVR seem to like….Never ban people. Even known cheaters just run rampant so I think people just dont bother reporting this kind of behavior because most of the time nothing happens.

But you really did make such an excellent point.

No one is upset because leaving 2nd survivor slugged to deny last survivor hatch is not holding the game hostage and is not bannable. No one is being forced to rat out their teammates. Holding the game hostage means that one side is preventing the other side from progressing the game. I don’t know if you realize this, but there is a bleed out timer for the person who is slugged. Do I think there should be a way for people to abandon match or accelerate that timer in this situation if they want? Absolutely. But the survivors are not being held hostage. Slugged survivor will eventually bleed out and last survivor has options. They can try to hide and do actions to avoid crows until other survivor bleeds out so hatch spawns, or they can take their chances with killer in a final chase. I know this isn’t a popular opinion, but last survivor is not entitled to hatch and I have no problem with killer trying to get 4K if that’s the way they choose to play.

You can keep reporting it if you want, but those reports will just get thrown into the trash bin because it’s not bannable.

That sounds like an awful match. It's not just killers though. As a rule it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. I come across survivors who are just as toxic as killers can be. That killer does sound pretty toxic.

Like the guy before you dont understand. WORKING WITH THE KILLER is a bannable offense. Not the slugging for the 4k, that is just a sign of lack of skill. You guys really need to read and understand before you jump in. This does nothing for the discusion. But for the sake of saying, I will say my piece and ignore every killer whining that their lack of skill style is the best or whatever. But slugging is for pressure. So killers that slug the entire team just because they had a bad day in real life, there is no strategic value to the slug. They just want to ruin peoples fun. Should be bannable. And I have reported for and seen action taken messages. Take that for what it is. Overall its just another way for cheesing a win without having skill at the game. At higher mmr those players get wrecked so it is what it is.

You continuing to insist that this is a “side” issue is the biggest problem here. There are lots of players who play both sides that are toxic in the game. There are also lots of killer and survivor players who are friendly and gracious when they win or lose. As others have said, toxicity is an issue with players, not an issue of one side vs another. Try playing killer for a little while and you will see that toxic stuff happens on both sides. There is nothing productive about people coming here to share an example from one game about something that somebody did to them that they don’t like and then using that to demonize the entire killer/survivor player base.

Did you reply to the wrong post?