if slugging is not toxic neither is teabagging

So did everyone else escape?

Oh, I see what youre trying to do. Gave yourself away.

dont say that word. They hate it

Don’t know if I should enter the fray but I’ll say my opinion based on my thoughts and experiences.

I’m going to raise two points - one which is on whether slugging is toxic and another on whether it is abused. The conclusion and what is or should be ‘done’ about it will ultimately be one that only BHVR can decide and what makes them ‘decide’.

So let’s get the straightforward part of what I want to discuss out of the way first:

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   what I will say is that, you can look at something like power struggle, DS, deliverance etc and say they ‘can/are’ abused, but you also have the status quo of slugging in the category ‘can/is’ abused.
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   So in a way it’s like saying, we can’t restrict this thing that can and is abused because it is a valid strategy against something survivors can and do abuse if we don’t.

As I said, there’s no point in arguing whose point of view is the chicken or the egg, but the status quo right now, is that slugging can be abused and is being abused by ‘some/many’ and is available basekit to all killers regardless of their power, perks and add ons they’ll bring.

So MY opinion is that something that can and is abused out of the box has a bit more of a danger to the health of the game than something which can and is abused based on whether a survivor brings it or not.

I will say what I THINK should be done and it will be subjective. First of all, I agree with @AbsolutGrndZer0 ooint in that such a nerf or ‘anti’ measure will need to be done carefully to consider things such as whether it will affect others undeservingly and what could be a proper implementation and compensation otherwise it may or may not go down well for some.

we’ve seen beloved perks, play styles and other things come into the game many times before. The game has evolved and so has the need for changes. There was a time where bloodlust wasn’t a thing but came into the game shortly after, ditto window blocking. We’ve seen nerfs to DH, CoH, Franklins, face™ camping and many others on both sides - some have not gone down well for those who relied on it but the game has moved on and it survived regardless.

In conclusion, yes the game has many elements in a tug of war and everybody experience can be valid for them as to why they want something changed. The ones who only can change things at BHVR. People do have a right to express their experiences to surface them for BHVR who have the means to analyse how much of said claims are founded and to what extent they are a focus for the current and longer term health of the game. And by that I don’t mean just number of players but the actual health and balance for the majority, experienced, new, god-like and total potatoes alike.

Granted that isn’t an easy task and so here we are.

So I would respectfully and sincerely hope that BHVR can focus on this and ideally work on a best-efforts solution (as certainly none can be perfect and will go down badly for some regardless).

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One is a playstyle. Sometimes there is no way to realistically win other than slugging.

One is a taunt. It has no benefit. You're just being a jerk.

I think there’s a threshold there. Like you said, sometimes bags or nods can be misinterpreted because they can mean different things at different times. I think slugging can absolutely stop being a strategy and start being toxic. Bleed outs are a perfect example of that. And while bags aren’t very kind most of the time, and they’re used as a mocking or tease in a negative way, they don’t incapacitate you like slugging. I think it’s very different. Especially because the killer version of bagging happens while the survivor is stuck on the ground with nowhere to go. If a survivor is bagging a killer they can at least walk away or turn their head if they don’t want to deal with it. But a killer can essentially just hump you till you die.

Slugging, Camping and Tunneling are tactics to create pressure, they are not toxic

Teabbaging, pointing, waving, nodding, etc. can be annoying but they are not toxic either. They are just survivors trying to get into the mind of the killer.

The same as sabotaging and body bodyblocking, not toxic.

Slugging to gain pressure isnt toxic because its furthering their objective. Bleeding someone out is toxic however, because they had ample time to hook and chose not to.

Teabagging is toxic in the sense your doing it to show off, it doesnt further your objective in any sense then to annoy your opponent especially at the end gates when you could leave, which is bad sportsmanship. As said above, I also believe bleeding people out unneccesarily is also toxic, due to the time it wastes, but im sure there could be times when id say both are reasonable aswell.

Teabagging to get the killers attention since you know your good at a chase, I would deem not toxic personally as that's you trying to keep the killers attention whilst others do gen's and serves a purpose in furthering the gamestate.

I could imagine a scenario where you slug someone in the middle of a 3 gen that you have to protect and just don't have the time to pick them up and due to the pressure you continue to provide end up bleeding someone out, its definitely possible, but unlikely.

Overall, it depends on why you do either action. Like if a wraith dings his bell after killing you, or a killed smacks you as you ascend to the entity, teabagging at the gate also serves no purpose than to annoy/ celebrate in front of your opponent gaudily, and these examples are all toxic.