shane's regalia should not be for profit
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Would you rather he dress and sound like a white guy who has no pride in his background/heritage? I hate putting words in peoples mouths but I TRULY struggle to see what you would've wanted our first Indigenous rep to look like. He's not a stereotype, caricature, or symbol. He is a fully realized character that just so happens to be Indigenous and proud of that fact, all the while, avoiding any sort of whitewashing.
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His clothes (not the traditional ones) look like drip with tribal symbols. It doesn't make me take him very seriously. I'd have the same opinion if Orela wore a trans flag hoodie or if Claudette wore jeans with an Autism Speaks patch. There's nothing wrong with them being diverse—it's that there's zero subtlety or depth in presenting it that way. It reads as inhuman.
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So yeah, I think I'm done arguing with you. How dare you call someone who is representing their tribe and their culture by wearing clothing with a specific design as inhuman?
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To be honest I'm not big on any ethnic/religious clothing being involved in a game where said characters are brutalized/desecrated.
It feels pretty wrong imo.
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I'm talking about character development. I'm saying he's being used as a symbol. And so far you're only arguing that he is a symbol and not a character. If that's what people want, then that's fine. But I still find it to be dull and lazy character development.
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i dont think that's what unicorn meant.
however while i can agree that the character development is a little lacking with shane, native design on modern flare is something that does exist and i think his casual tone is fine. someone can be a representation of their culture without being super thematic about it. you see it in other cultures as well.
plus, since he just released, more information about him will come out the longer he's in the game. the backstory is just the starting point.
subtle reminder to everyone else to please keep the topic on the thread/op. id really hate for this thread to get locked or people getting punished when it's a good teaching opportunity for all parties. i want this to be constructive
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I really have no idea how else to interpret a comment that blatantly asks for our one and only Indigenous character to be subtle and not a "symbol" despite him being a great opportunity to highlight the importance of heritage and Indigenous customs and culture. He is not a cardboard standee that has the words "this is an Indigenous person" on it and nothing else. I agree, let's not get this thread locked, but I think it's WILD to basically ask, point-blank, for Shane to basically show no connection to his Anishinaabe heritage because "there's zero subtlety or depth in presenting it that way. It reads as inhuman". That just feels wrong.
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it's just a 1 month fomo for people who need to flex new outfits on day 1
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"i do still reserve the right to at least share criticism and my viewpoint as feedback"
Absolutely. And I'm surprised your feedback is apparently so controversial to a lot of people. Saying you feel it should have been available for shards instead of auric cells is valid. I would assume the reason they're charging for it is because they probably paid for consultancy when designing the cosmetic, and also want it to be easily accessible for newcomers. But even so, selling for shards wouldn't mean the company gets nothing for their efforts. Shards are earned through time spent in game (*a lot* of time if we're being honest), which is immensely valuable to any gaming company.
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thank you. ;w;
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It's an original cosmetic for an original character. I'm not informed enough on indigenous culture or regalia to warrant taking a stance on that front, but idk why it isn't at least available for shards to begin with by nature of being unlicenced, even if it is how things have been for awhile.
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What? You and your culture are not entitled to royalties of fictional works based on your culture. Imagine if this logic was applied to all peoples cultures.
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i mean, in my opinion that's how it should be within reason. anything that has high significance should be compensated by giving back to the people they got that inspiration from if they're monetizing it. for years marginalized communities have had cultural aspects exploited and reused for purposes that only benefited the people that took it for their own gain.
the "fictional work" you're talking about is a very real concept that actively gets mocked, stereotyped, and pieces of it resold by people who intend to profit off of our long and hard fought identity on the regular. i would feel the same exact way if middle eastern hijabs (albeit controversial), grand boubous from senegal, kimonos from japan, or other identifying pieces of cultures went through the same thing. and they do experience this.
i think it's right for a culture that was repeatedly being destroyed, converted, and erased to ask for more than just exposure. there's a balance between giving and taking. you can share a culture without taking away from them, especially with an already crippled peoples
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Immediately. I bought him with shards the day he released.
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