Hens Jason Kill streak
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one could argue the same about you survivors wanting to nerf him because you fail to use his counters right.
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I'm not inflating it in bad faith that's actually an honest mistake coz I'm not writing a hecking thesis for people like you, I'm literally listing what it does to show people like you… who are in fact the ones arguing in bad faith by dismissing with no valid points other than "Plz no nerf he makes me feel good".
Post me some clips of where he doesn't do well, tell me what he doesn't do well, tell me his weaknesses. If you want to make an arguement, make some points please.7 -
Dude, you do understand how sample size works right? This is not just ten games, when you are going over a hundred games you can't just say "lol maybe everyone is memeing" that's a statistical improbability.
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i’ve been giving advice its just doesn’t result in “nerfs” so you dont want to hear it.
Like you say he shouldn’t know you’re in a locker but that is just how killer instinct works for any form of it.
You also say he should have stronger anti camp protection like other killers when his is already stronger than theirs. Try actually playing him and using his power at hook.
coroners coffee gives him 13% haste with hook spikes but it’s only for 3 seconds but you throw the survivors even further by 25% so unless you’re already in a bad spot there is no valueHook spikes do not give perma aura reading its temporary - why even lie about this?
Hook spikes having a mini blood warden is an addon you fail to mention, also pinning someone to the wall is bugged where jason can’t grab the survivor which gives the survivor a free escape.
Reloading isn’t instant another lie.
Reloading giving undetectable is an addon
killer instinct and scream from oe - crouch you have the most brain dead simple and free counterplay stop whining
The ability to change elevations - true and guess what actually is bugged right now frequently putting you on the wrong elevation in the wrong spot.
Deny pallet/ window - every ranged killer has this why would it be any different if you haven’t learned how to counter this by now you’re doomed.
I know i didn’t bother addrssing everything but that is mainly after fully intending to chop your list apart i noticed how bloated with complete nonsense it is actually wild you thought they were worth including. Again i can only assume it was to bloat the list to argue in bad faith.-3 -
Yes, every killer needs some sort of snowball to be actually decent.
Nope, The First is not a great, completely random where he can two tap the best survivor in the world or be chased for ten minutes, there is no in between.
I agree Deputy’s badge is strong of a addon and probably will get nerfed, but the exhaust addon is not good, why? Very simple, the point of that addon is to counter SPRINT BURST, but if the survivor reacts fast they can use sprint burst before you get exhausted, so I always uses mindbreaker on him
Who cares if he can see people in locker after exiting power, legion can see survivor in lockers after hitting one survivor, should we remove this on legion too?
If you get hit by his husk I’m sorry but tha’s nothing that can be done to save you, It’s impossible to get hit by it unless you run into it and on purpose take a hit.
Jason bas the most punishing anti camp in the game if you teleport close to the hook, it’s not even close to any other killer that has this mechanic.
Bro, why did you brought the idea of zooning with blocking a pallet or a window lmao that’s useless and lasts for 2 seconds, I’m sorry that’s not good zooning lile you mentioned.
What I’ve noticed after facing so many Jasons, he is completely fine with normal build but completely annoying with hex totems, if they gut totem builds nobody will even care about Jason anymore I guarantee you.
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"if you can't play a killer without all the information in the world"- see the insane pivot you just did. It went from " oh but you can use a perk to be able to use his power" to "you can't cope without permanent wall hacks". His power is useless without information, which you agreed, and then tried to say "oh but other killers have the same requirements" which they don't and now you've resorted to adhomnym attacks without actually having a decent conversation.
Im not against balancing, infact most the posts give 3 nerfs that should be done against him. The balances you have suggested would gut him and require him to have a perk just to use his power. So let me address you with the same respect you have shown me:
If you can't play against a killer without them being unable to use their power and have to gut every marginally strong killer without even attempting to learn their counterplay, its understandable why you're so hell bent on gutting him
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Jason may need adjusting further, sure, I won't argue that. But arguing it based off of a win streak is asinine and self-defeatingly 'boy who cried wolf.' You don't adjust the rules of chess based off of how Carl Magnuson uses a knight. Win streaks on Trapper are also common, are we to nerf him next? Stop it, get some help.
Call for nerfs as you will but do so with genuine intent. Hopping on every last spark of light as a reason to nerf Jason is unhelpful, and inherently devalues the entire argument. Focus on the things that matter and have grounded sense to them. This is just silly.-4 -
So all I can read is dismissal of facts
You havn't stated a downside at all, just trying to downplay everything I said which is more acknowledgement lol
Coroners coffee literally lets you move survivors out of position from the loop they are in, away from the pallet etc, or window… it's a win win for him.
The crouching takes about a second to kick in, you're expected to stay crouched for a while before it counters Jumpscare, you can't do it reactionary, especially on latency
Both of you are just replying to the points rather than making your own as to what downside he has, I'll keep asking: Tell me a downside?3 -
you lied about his kit now are trying to get me to tell you the downside of your lies.
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What are you on about, I'm literally asking you to tell me this killers downsides, not the downsides of my statements, because those are inarguably what his power does I didn't state exactly what they do or that they are overpowered, just there is a lot of them?
As a collective they are very very strong, that's very different
Anyways I've stated what I came to contribute, if peoples reply is just "its lies and omg killers need this" and that's it, then we are done here.
I don't want him nerfed into the ground, I literally think he could have somethings taken from him to make facing him less obnoxious, coz infact i do enjoy facing him and I do enjoy the counter play.
I've even stated this in other threads, on the other hand people like you who are defending him aimlessly are going to very disappointed if he does get nerfed and you'll move to the next OP killer, rinse and repeat.4 -
a lot of what you posted was inaccurate. Or nonsense
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"I can't use my miniscule cooldown infinite duration stealth mobility power unless im constantly handheld exactly where to go to immediately start another chase with a massive advantage. And i refuse to use by brain or perks to synergize with mobility powers the way you would with half of the current killer roster. Please dont let go of my hand BHVR. Survivors should just watch the grass moving and not do literally anything useful in order to counter me"
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"I can't do anything unless the killer has his hands off the keyboard, a blindfold on and move half the speed of me, even then they might hit a ranged attack on me so i must get a new second chance perk every single chapter that makes me invincible for 60 seconds. I refuse to take accountability for my actions because how dare BHVR not make a game where I can win without trying. I refuse to use my brain and consider how to play against the killer who has a level of counterplay greater than what any other killer has. Please never stop making my role any easier BHVR for i might have to leave the game if I have to put in a modicum of effort. Killer's should just listen to gens pop and never put any pressure on me or I may die from the toll it would put on my heart
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Then EXPLAIN HOW AS THEY BEEN ASKING
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Spring traps Axe is not nearly as good of a ranged attack and slinger has a signifcant slowdown when reloading. You can argue that Jasons slowdown to reload is going to a location… but there are so many, it's often irrelevant.
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Guess ruin and thrill need more nerfs. They are proving useful.
Not like Hans is a comp player playing in public lobbies.
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That is true and still also hot garbage.
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Update 209 matches…
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I don't think they need nerfs, I think it's the badge working on them and the ability to defend and return to totems so easily which is the issue, but it's not exclusive to him:
-Ghouls scream addon can be annoying for it
-Xenomorphs scream on tail hit is crazy for defending totems
makes me wonder if it's just scream based interactions with totems that could be the issue and the only counter to it makes totems slower too, so it's a lose lose with the options available. Pair that with mobility and it's really difficult.
If Calm spirit didnt have the wierd downside you could at least build for it?
Coz other killers do need the hex's to be strong, but others it's clearly overkill.4 -
Its not instant though since there's a cooldown. If your wrong, you have to wait out the cooldown just like you would if you used Spirit to blindly check a gen.
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Its irrelevant if the chase is constantly changing locations, but not if its at a loop. Reloading as Slinger at a loop that the survivor isn't leaving is a minor inconvenience if you miss. If Jason has to walk away from that loop to reload... the survivor has time to just dip.
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Oh, by the Entity, I said instantly went I meant practically instantly. My bad! Carry on Mr ChatGPT.
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What is the time range to claim its "near instantly" then, because i wouldn't say 12 seconds is anywhere near that. Using Botany doesnt make the heal an instant heal for example...
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thrill shouldnt be nerfed though because 1 killer can use it really well though and im worried that or hexes will get hit because of 1 killer which i will strongly protest as a non jason player hex killer
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Something has to give, I suspect a Jason nerf incoming.
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Why would you ever be wrong? You can run around in OE until you are not wrong.
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I was responding to someone saying Jason could just make "educated guesses" and come out of OE to look around to find survivors that are stealthing him. They said he could instantly go back into OE anyway.
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just saying again but balance should never be made because one of the best killer comp players are crushing pubs. At some point you guys just need to accept that hens is high level, this isn’t the first high winstreak he has had.
He recently did henry with the exact same build.
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I assume you would be okay with old Dead Hard coming back and old Circle of Healing?
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Henry also broken. Nobody plays him because it's obvious trash.
Let's take a look at the flip side of this… Hens, JRM, Ayrun and Otz are playing Survivor together. Look at which Killer has taken most of their Survivors out of their Hardcore challenge. These are public matches and they are some of the best players in the game.
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that isn’t a fair comparison because they did hardcore when jason was new and fresh so he was in 90% of their games, of course jason got the most kills.
Hey man if you look in my post history you would see been accused of being a survivor main pretending to be killer main even though i’ve always stressed i play both sides about 50/50.
No i don’t think either of those should come back but i’ve also stressed in this thread that jason isn’t problematic on his own. Its this totem build which a lot of killer players use because its busted. Jason just happens to be the strongest user of it.
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Why do you think these survivor perks needed to get nerfed but at the same time believe Jason is in a fine state?
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Because 1 person bringing a boon perk shouldn’t be a unlimited self care for everyone. And jason isn’t as unstoppable as you guys like to claim. Again he’s b tier at best. People said springtrap was busted and op at first too but now look where he is.
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Do you also believe Nurse shouldn't get changes due to only good players using her well?
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It's not even fun to watch him play. It's sooooo boring and unfair. It's not even that killer particularly. Even the event mode is so killer sided. Using poison outplays everything. BHVR: DO SOMETHING!!!! or survivors will leave and killer queue will be longer and longer
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i don’t think s tier killers should exist at all sorry but this is a bad gotcha. A and b tier is where killer balance should be. But hey jason is b maybe b+ so he’s fine.
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killer queue for me is 12 seconds on the event mode. If your losing in the busted survivor sided event its a mega skill issue.
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Weird how survivors should never lose but if killers lose its a balancing issue 😓
Additionally, I don't see how Circle of Healing is overpowered if bad survivors will just get hit anyways and spend all game healing. Can you elaborate on this?0 -
Nurse has gotten plenty of changes. Everytime she gets nerfed, ppl say "If your good at her, you'll be fine" and then complain that good players can still use her. What is the goal here, to make even good nurse players unable to play her? At what point do you go "yup, looks like its all good"?
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Last match he waited for 5 mins. He is most probably playing on EU servers (germany). And sorry that I am not a pro gamer. I just want to have some fair games playing with my friends. We die regularly against Blights, Jasons, Wheskers, with 3-4 gens left in event mode. Nice matchmaking there. BHVR really does a great job
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I don’t think anyone should have to elaborate on why old circle of healing was busted, you never needed a medkit or self care. Just 1 person with 1 boon and the whole team could bring toolboxes. Get hit run to boon and reset for free. A single perk should not give the whole team self care. But it wasn’t even just self care it was better than self care and made self care pointless.
even the most die hard survivor mains agreed coh was stupidly busted that needed changes.0 -
My point is that skill should be factored but it shouldn't be the sole factor in whether or not something should get nerfed/buffed.
The idea that the game should be balanced only around top tier players doesn't work when its barely officially competitive to start. It also feels like killers are balanced by the lowest skill-bracket while survivors are being judged based off of a tiny minority in these discussions.
I don't see how Jason pubstomping the vast majority of his games, whether piloted by Hens or not, is permissible since 'good survivors can easily outplay him' whereas Circle of Healing which was a noobtrap in most games since people would spend all game slowly healing is 'overpowered because good players abuse it.'
Seems like a stark double standard to me.0 -
And x9 doing the first ever unrestricted survivor winstreak on their 3rd ever try is already at 600 wins in a row despite only starting during the fast track meta. If we are using winstreaks as a means to nerf things, then why did we not mention that??
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You brought up NURSE changes... thats what my comment was about. How many nerfs should Nurse get? Ppl like to pretend nurse nerfs dont happen. What is the goal on Nurse if your still suggesting further changes. Her average killrates arnt high. Ideally nerfs to a killer shouldn't be made with the goal that even the good players at that character do POORLY.
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because that exposes the narrative.
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WhaWhat is the criteria for a Survivor win streak because, you could play extremely selfish and always get hatch in theory.
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Also, Nurse can be very good but the skill ceiling is also high. Shes great in chase but often not great at map pressure.
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x9 is a team so 3 out is required. But even so its crazy you think anyone is getting a 600 winstreak solo even if they rat for hatch lol.
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She needs a total power rework her design is simply unbalancable. How do you balance a power that ignores everything a survivor can do?
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Honestly, I dont even play nurse. I know im dogshit at her. I've just been around long enough to see the conversation about her. Everytime someone says a change needs to be made and she'll be fine after that... those people change their minds and claim its not enough when good players still can play her. "Nurse doesnt need extra blink addons, that just makes it easy for BAD nurses." But when good nurses do just fine and maybe swap up the build, the argument changes to something else. Ironically when it was the addons being targeted, ppl at least had the gall to say "THIS addon is the issue, basekit is fine".
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