So, am I right in thinking The Judgement completely counters self unhooking perks, offerings?

Unless she's just sniping a random totem in rotation everytime the power is off cooldown, I dont see that being effective... ESPECIALLY with the upcoming TOTH nerf.

Nurses Calling is pretty easily countered by just not picking a shrine near the killer to rescue from and not healing in the TR. When you can rescue a survivor on the opposite side of the map from where they went down, your in a great position to avoid being tunneled. Since the killer isn't getting the big aura reading perks that require hooking, they arnt very likely to randomly walk over to a random corner to find you.

Add teabagging I saw this clip 😂 Cant test myself tho because twitch PTB atm.

Ive not been able to test at all because they did a silly twitch PTB drop at start (pls dont do this again bhvr)

But ive heard the killer has a quite high skill floor so these things may even out. VS killers we get recently like ghoul who skill floor is 6ft under ground.

Is it a 5min cooldown or something? Sending out the occasional beam when you're moving around won't take that much time, and you can line it up with gens so it hits both.

As for Nurse's Calling, it's hard to counter when you don't know it's in play. And as someone who uses it to snipe constantly I can confirm most people find out the hard way.

The only shrines you can rescue survivors from are those closest to the killer.

This is actually a good example since we see it right at the beginning. A teammate goes down and at the 59 second mark we can see the 2 shrines have quite the distance from each other.

I was mostly just addressing ppl's panicking about the various anti-tunneling perks being countered. While yes, the perks dont work... your setup in a good spot to safely get the save without being tunneled or camped anyway. Weve always said the answer to the issues shouldn't be bandaids in the form of a perk, and I feel like THIS kinda fits with that. The survivor experience for this killer seems pretty good.

A. You dont HAVE to heal at the shrine

B. The rescued target has elusive so they are gonna be immune to any aura reading as they get away from the shrine. The little mini game you do in Exile actually grants bonus time to the 3 anti-tunnel buffs you get.

The killer isn't likely to just sit in the middle and hope nurses picks something up.

Those shrines are NOT close together

The idea of the person being teleported to the rescuer is so they can be healed. Just because you CAN do something different doesn't mean that 99% of survivors won't be healed by the shrine when rescued.

The killer gets many benefits from sending the survivors to Exile. Do you want them to spawn back into the killer's hands? What is the issue here?

That's the whole point, right? The killer is forced to go after other players - they get killer instinct on Heretics as well. These are good things for the game.

Absolutely, im not COMPLAINING that survivors can get rescued. Im pointing out that nurses calling isn't some all powerful perk that'll make tunneling easy. Most aura reading perks that dont require hooking is close range, so after getting rescued its just smart to utilize your elusive to get out of TR range.

I feel like at least from the SURVIVOR standpoint... you could go in perkless and not feel like you got screwed over cuz you didnt have perk XYZ and have a fun match against this killer. From the killer side, it looks pretty rough but ill hold off on passing judgement til I try it myself.

Except these aren't even remotely the same.

Huntress - there must be zero obstacles or obstructions in the way or the hatchet just hits those

Slinger - spearing someone can't down them and spearing through these gaps doesn't mean you can actually hit them

Springtrap - can't cross map, the axe drops too fast, only hits in an incredibly small area, but yes theoretically unstoppable at short range

Unknown - must first infect and then follow-up, infection can be removed in chase, projectile usually must first bounce

Trickster - must hit you multiple times before injury

Henry - I personally do put a truly good Henry at nurse level, you just die, the Henry player has to be incredibly accurate with their shots to be there though which is, like the judgement power now, difficult while also being time limited and infection based

Judgement - ignores obstacles and obstructions, just injures immediately, can damage survivors in every situation these others can and more, larger range other than Huntress, no infection required

Why would anyone be that good with a brand new killer? You're acting like there isn't a learning curve for killer powers. It's a weird double standard that is prevalent in this community, survivors need time to learn counterplay but killers are good with an ability they have never used before right out of the gate? How does that make sense. What are you willing to give up for the power to be easier? Because if you just make it easy there won't be any counterplay and we get another Krause situation. This killer being difficult is literally the only thing holding them back at the moment.

I am ultimately saving full judgement (lol) for when the ptb is actually available to me. I saw multiple content creators getting hit by beams that weren't even aimed at them though so I'm not sure it will actually be that simple with how fast it moves. That visibility through obstacles or at least the visibility on aiming is one or the things I see being asked to be removed. It's probably better than removing the distance safety buffer but would make their ability to snipe gens and totems much worse from the survivor side.

This has nothing to do with survivors, it has everything to do with "Judgment has infinite powers and can kill everyone". You are proving my point of downsides, I 100% agree with you on all your points. Just like I would say judgement has massive downsides "Survivors see the beam, they can easily react, she has long cooldown and move speed penalties". I'm not asking for her power to be easier or any changes to be made at all but this parroted line of "She is the best killer in the game she just needs time" I disagree with heavily.

As you even say, why would I not just play Henry and have a 5000% easier time landing hits, and have map mobility, plus extremely strong addons. But "no man, drawing triangles is actually the strongest killer in the game".

Yes, there are downsides to the power but why are you expecting someone to be doing incredibly well with them after just a few days? All I am doing is pointing out how strong this killer could be in the hands of someone that practices with it a ton, not how strong they will be when played by someone that has played maybe ten matches with them. I'm not saying strongest killer in the game but the power can hit in all situations, just like Henry and Nurse, its worth considering especially when players are brand new to the killers power and haven't figured out ways to optimize usage.

Henry's range is more limited than this killer, can only bypass hooking on the last down, and their power hits in a much smaller area. Whether or not its easier to hit than judgment is going to depend on the player themself.

I do. It’s my favorite killer perk. I don’t play doctor. I actually get a lot of value out of that perk.

I agree with Henry's vines being more in the hands of the killer and undergate being a lot more telegraphed and reactable. However, from what I am seeing the distance snipes are a lot more consistent to hit than close range despite those distance hits being a lot more predictable and telegraphed. Its something that I again want to see for myself before deciding fully. I am curious how much is just the survivors not understanding just how far the power can hit from and looking out for the beam and how much is the beam moving faster than it maybe seems while just watching. I see a decent number of players saying they basically AFK when on a gen and it would be interesting to see how they react to a killer where that is arguably the worst decision you could make against them lol.

I think it's more about the fact that you get instant info of a survivor on a gen, and the majority of the time they stand by the gen waiting for it to unblock. And because it's at 90% they are not likely to fully abandon it. So a few shots across the map will likely get you some results, if not already being the reason they missed the skill check by getting off the gen to avoid the beams.