Developer Update | Player Intent System

Yeah it 100% shouldn't be able to be completely turned off.

It defeats the whole purpose of why they said they wanted to add the system. meanwhile adding to frustrations as people will load into lobbies and eye-roll at the sable with the whole system disabled.

this is not a niche system. this is a system the devs have stated they are adding to try to bridge the information gap and have a easier time balancing killers, which it isn't going to do if they allow people to toggle it on and off.

As i stated sure let people turn it off, but they need to only be put into lobbies with others who want to toggle it off.

this isnt a trvial matter.

It wont make que times worse the only people it will potientaly make it worse for is people who want to turn off comm wheel. (oh no 30 second ques rather then 5 second ones)

And you can always turn it back on if its such a trival system. why is it such a big deal if its on if its so trivial.

good to see the copied OW 1-1 they by far are the best in the business when conveying information to your team

Yeah, I would prefer to have base kit kindred and bond, such things that make SWF extremely good, they do call outs and have these perks without using them.

This system seems to be gimmicky for soloq and probably will be used to annoy teammates.

I am happy for those who like it.

But this one I will turn off I can already see players constantly spamming it and completely ignore it.

This wont solve soloq problem I would rather get kindred as base kit again which SWF has free with constant callouts

That's going to help Survivors use their time much more efficiently by wasting less time—for example, leaving a Generator to go for an unhook on the other side of the map because you thought no one else was going for the save, among many other scenarios. You can also tell your team to focus more on Generators. Really good, healthy feature overall :)

However, it should be noted that wasting less time through communication will affect Killers negatively, as Survivors will use the saved time to progress objectives more, such as repairing Generators and healing, resulting in faster Gen progress and shorter games. QoL features are welcome, but Killers should get something too, especially already weak killers if it affects them negatively.

Edit: Looks like survivor mains aren't happy about this XD

I was thinking this as well. Like, why put call outs on the HUD where (some of) my teammates are unlikely to see it anyway? Some of my teammates are clearly not using the current info on the HUD as it is. Could lead to even more frustration if your messages aren't getting through to the team.

I'm also a little bit concerned about the potential for information overload, especially among newer players. 8 commands on the wheel seems a bit much to me, but I guess we'll see. I'm also not looking forward to bossy players telling everyone else how they think we should be playing the game. That will get old pretty quickly.

I don't see the point of a "chasing me" call out. I'm gonna be way too busy trying my best not to die to be able to use it in chase and we already have the entity claws so yeah, it seems pointless to me.

I still have misgivings about the efforts to close the gap between SWF and Solo and balancing the game in that direction, because that road will probably lead to sweatier games. If Killers start to feel like every game they play is against a SWF, then I expect to see stronger builds and more camping, tunnelling and slugging on average. But then again, perhaps we're already there and this is just making things more even. I also think some Killers may need some huge buffs if Survivors become a lot more efficient. All of this is "good" if you want the game to become sweatier and more competitive. Maybe that's what the community wants, I dunno…

I made a post about this actually 4 years ago. 90% of the suggestions I made got implemented :)

Seeing this post today made me smile a bit. Though 4 years…..could've been faster :)

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/329026/quality-of-life-ui-features-needed#latest

I have two main concerns with this system that could make it just as detrimental as it could be beneficial, and also a suggestion that I believe is an exceptionally better alternative to this idea.

First, are survivors going to be able to activate this “intent/chat” wheel WHILE running and moving their character around… or is it going to be something that you have to stop and be stationary to do? If you have to be completely motionless while activating this wheel and putting in your “intent” command, that leaves the survivor completely vulnerable and takes away valuable time that the survivor could be using. For example, if I’m working on a gen and the killer comes toward me to pressure the gen and chase me… am I going to be able to immediately start running and activate the chat wheel to communicate to my teammates that the killer is with me WHILE I’m moving, or am I going to have to literally stand in place while I put in the command and not only lose significant distance that could be gained but also potentially give the killer a free hit because I can’t move for 2-3 seconds while I bring up this chat wheel and communicate to the other survivors that the killer is chasing me? Survivors need to be able to input these communications WHILE moving and performing interactions so that they aren’t having to sacrifice time or opportunity in order to do so.

The second concern is, it’s also going to be very distracting to the survivor who is trying to use the system and make playing much more difficult. I’ll use the same scenario to demonstrate. Currently, if I’m working on a gen and the killer comes to pressure it and chase me… I can focus all my attention on making distance and trying to loop the killer. Adding in this chat/communication wheel means I have more things to worry about. Now I have to worry about pulling up this wheel and communicating to my teammates that I’m being chased, AND trying to make distance, AND playing effectively at loops, AND pay attention to my surroundings, AND watch the killer to see if they’re mind-gaming or committing, AND look around for possible places to run to next to continue the chase… it’s just a lot to do and manage all at the same time and having to worry about bringing up a chat wheel to communicate with my teammates just makes it that much more stressful and chaotic and takes my attention away from the things that matter, especially when there are better options which I’ll go into next.

My suggestion, and what I believe would be a significantly more beneficial system… would be to implement a team-based voice chat. One voice chat for survivors, one voice chat for killers (which would be helpful for people who play 2v8 killer solo queue as well). There are countless other games such as Call of Duty or Fortnite that use this feature and it is extremely helpful without diverting attention or focus away from gameplay and imposing potentially harmful or detrimental side effects to the player’s efficiency. All of these other games have a “Game Chat” option, where if someone joins your lobby or is on the same team as you… you can speak to them directly via your mic/headset. If DbD had a “Game Chat” option that worked the same way, whenever a survivor joined a lobby they would have the ability to use voice communications with the other survivors in that particular lobby who were also using that game chat. Then they could communicate anything they needed to during the trial without having to distract themselves or waste time or opportunity bringing up a “chat wheel” to issue commands or their “intents”. It would be much easier, much faster, much more simple, and much more effective because they could just talk. It also wouldn’t interrupt gameplay, complicate controls and key bindings, or add unnecessary difficulty and confusion either. You could even still keep the option to mute other players who were being disruptive or the option to turn game chat off completely, the same as you intend to do with the chat wheel… but for those that chose to use the game chat it would be an exponentially better and more beneficial system than a chat wheel which has the potential to be harmful and detrimental, complicate things and make them more stressful and difficult, be extremely distracting, and add more unnecessary steps to take when players have more than enough to focus on during a trial as it is.

It'll be funny during EGC. 2 survivors escape thru the door, killer is camping.

Last survivor: "Please unhook." 🥹

To follow up on my initial thoughts, I've been discussing this with friends who play and thinking over this all week, reading over online discussions since the announcement (such as the suggestions that people who opt out of a system to avoid harassment need to be put into a separate queue) and a pal put our biggest concerns plainly:

This makes me worried it's only going to lead to more end game chat toxicity if you didn't engage in the intent wheel enough in the eyes of other players.

For this reason, to help curb endgame fingerpointing and harassment and toxicity, I am re-asserting that I think it would be very important for the game to indicate players who have opted out of the chat wheel.

As someone else said, it would be greatly frustrating if I were frantically sending out "Help!" with no way to know that my cries for help were not being received by anyone else in the lobby because everyone else has the chat wheel muted.

This would greatly relieve stress and miscommunication between players who think that their Intent Wheel chats are being received by teammates, who in reality see nothing of what they're communicating to the team. This will prevent players from relying on players who have opted out of the Intent Wheel to act around their communicated Intents, and this will also help people from accosting each other in endgame chat.

I can already see the fights:

"I said I was going to go do this! Why didn't you do anything? Useless teammate *insert expletive here*"

welcomed change. :) gap between swf and solo will be much smaller and killers can see some bigger buffs.