Killer instinct shouldn’t be in Lights Out mode
It defeats the purpose of the mode. And let’s be honest, it’s a crutch. It only exists because BHVR because BHVR doesn’t think people are smart enough to play killer without help. In a perfect game Houndmasters dog and Pinheads box are the only things that should give KI. The rest is handholding.
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I disagree- for several killers- killer instinct is part of their base kit, removing part of their base kit for a temporary mode is more than likely going to lead to bugs in the future for the normal event modes. Lets be honest here- this is BHVR we are talking about- bugs appear every single day
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i think survivors holding lanterns should reveal scratch marks if anything gets changed.
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Complaining about killers having their hand held in a mode where survivors do gens 20% faster is one hell of an opinion.
What match did you play that caused you to hate killer instinct?
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That’s a fair point. I have no idea why they did that. But it shouldn’t be Lights Out and neither should killer instinct.
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og lights out was the best forum of it. We should be going back to that. No more lanterns revealing auras of resources, no more gen repair speed boost.
I don’t know if it would even be possible for them to remove killer instinct from killer powers. But if they can do it without absolutely breaking everything else they should do it too.-3 -
I agree.
The first Lights Out was the only good one.
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My biggest complaint would be finding nothing but the lanterns in those chests. And even when you do find an actual item, you risk getting it knocked out of your hand with basekit Franklins. 😕
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Do you hate Legion so much you'd delete most of their power?
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As a person constantly complaining about Killers getting everything…. This event is my favorite for the reason it is survivor sided. When I play killer I have to actually try and usually just end up with 2k or less. That being said, remove all the add ons and perks and killer becomes much harder. I'd love a mode with no add ons or perks. Unfortunately all we get is survivor nerfs, killer buffs and new killers that are OP and really just ruin this game IMO. ALthough I am amazed how many people are suddenly Pig killers…lol
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they don't deserve a power in LO, just like in the original Lights Out. Anybody who plays them should be doing it to look like Normal Guy
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And why should they be singled out to not have a power while other mostly much stronger killers get to keep 100% of their power?
I'd be fine with the Legion being disabled in Lights Out, that'd be much better than waiting in the queue, loading into a match, frenzy-stabbing someone and then thinking no one is nearby because no killer instinct until discovering there is no killer instinct at all. Playing Legion sucks already since he has weak lethality and you'd take his info away too.
Not one of your better takes.
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Lights out mode is SUPPOSED to have lack of information. The reason to play legion would as 100 said, to look normal as you close in on prey. Killers shouldn't be basically nullifying the whole point of mode. Yes this goes with the likes of Doc, Wesker, Artist and the others.
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Again, disable killers not powers. Killers are not cosmetics like survivors are. No one should be going into a match assuming their killer's power should work the way it's supposed to work only to discover it doesn't.
This seems like you just want to bully powerless Legions.
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they violate the spirit of the mode, just like Freddy. which is why he's banned. Legion and Doc, by definition, should not work in LO because of how their power functions. They are fundamentally linked to Terror Radius.
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Yet people still want to play "legion". Just because they can't cheese the whole mode doesn't mean you have to disable them.
I couldn't care less about who I'm facing. I'd rather just not have things that makes the mode pointless. But nice assumptions.
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Screw it. I am going to go play Legion in Lights Out. You have inspired me.
Edit: This is the most fun I've ever had in Lights Out! Thanks guys!
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Seems like a pretty safe assumption it's not like anyone here is suggesting that the game tell players that "oh btw as Legion you don't get killer instinct" because it's well-established communication is not one of BHVR's best suits and no one here has yet to suggest it. It seems like everyone here would want Legions to discover this uncomfortable feature while in matches.
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You assume that because i want a full info blackout that I wana bully legions?
Also if a things called "lights out" id assume first that no info works and be figuring it out as it goes. If i were to assume the opposite id be figuring out what does and doesn't work with a different perspective. Its like figuring out new combinations of perks with powers. Its not exactly new here.
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You're calling for an addon-less C-tier killer to be nerfed down to F-tier so what do you want, exactly? The survivors and the Legion to sit around a fire barrel and sing Kumbaya? Not going to happen. Legion would get bullied, maybe not by you but they'd definitely get bullied.
Lights Out is whatever BHVR says it is and that's it. Whatever the "spirit" of it is is a matter of opinion. It's a horror game and getting stabbed in the dark by some angsty teen in a mask certainly fits the "spirit" of horror.
It's hilarious that people are calling for addon-less Legion to be nerfed in Lights Out, whatever the reason.
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When was Legion's Frenzy not based off their terror radius? There's no tr in Lights Out so there shouldn't be any killer instinct. Are you saying there is or is this about another killer?
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That is certainly how Legion's power is described. I had forgot about that.
But I have played as Legion and it seems like killer instinct works like normal with a 32m detection radius. I don't know what it sounds like on the survivor side.
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I mean, I TOLD you what I want. Info black out. I TOLD you that this includes everyone else. I basically TOLD you I agree with 100's assessment that you'd play legion to look normal guy. That's ignoring that this is SPECIFICALLY for lights out.
If YOU can't take my words at face value I don't know what to tell ya
You say they'd get bullied but that's on the killer in question ain't it? Groups try to bully me as every killer, imagine their surprise when the killer kills them. I expect legions to kill survivors.
I've never talked about the spirit of the mode. While I do agree it violates what I feel is the spirit, I point out that it nullifies the point of it, which is a dark map with lack of info on both sides. It's supposed to handicap both sides, which legion and others with tracking nullify said handicap.
It's a bit sad you don't see the reason people want no killer instincts in a modifier
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As a Legion hater… yeah.
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The question is Legion vs Wesker~
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Jason should also not be in Lights Out, Dredge too.
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I get it now. You're emotional about the mode as evidenced by you starting to use all caps. So you're blocking out the logical side of your brain.
You want Legions to be in the Lights but not have killer instinct while being addon-less, which would make them the worst killer in the mode by a fair margin. I don't see that as respectable position, no matter how you justify it or however emotional you are about it. I can see disabling Legion like Freddy is or letting Legion play as they do in this iteration. This in between "normal guy" you're advocating for is ridiculous.
My games as Legion in Lights Out weren't any easier than if I played any stronger killer I'm experienced with. It's still an easy win for the survivor team if they don't 3gen themselves.
I'm surprised there isn't griping about the Xenomorph in this thread. Not that I've tried it but doesn't it still get to see footsteps from the tunnels and get killer instinct when exiting a tunnel? What about Demogorgon and Ghostface? Might as well take killer instinct away from all the C or D tier killers, make the mode even more terrible than it already is.
Lights Out is a crap mode, maybe that's why they only give it to us a single week at a time and incentivize people to play in it with rewards and rift fragments to play it. Entity knows I wouldn't have played it at all if not for that. It can go back on hiatus for all I care.
I expect it'll get watered down even more, for the sake of making it appeal to more people.
I'd much rather they stop bringing Lights Out back and try new modes for 1 week at a time, but unfortunately BHVR is too lazy for that.
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Trash vs garbage
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I'm literally pointing out that I explicitly told you what I said that you either chose not to read, failed to comprehend, or chose to ignore. I'm a lot less emotional about this than you've been acting throughout this thread.
As I said, I want a whole info black out. If people want to play legion knowing, expecting, whatever? That's not my concern nor problem. You think it's ridiculous? Good for you, I don't even care. Me thinking your being ridiculous for wanting legion to cheep the mode? Good for me, I'd bet you don't even care cause otherwise we wouldn't be HAVING this chat no?
Adding on, the whole "normal guy" thing is the hypothetical (and probably main in my opinion) reason you would play legion in the mode IF (read again, IF) the mode took away killer instincts.
I've already pointed out that I included every other killer with killer instincts, want me to highlight it?
So first there are people who actually enjoy lights out. Second, if you think the modes crap anyway, why are you so passionate about this whole thing?
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One that also applies to everyone, doesn't mean people ain't gonna fight for their way
Two there's a thread, that's been unjustly moved I add, to off topic that needs the forums death playlist. ADDADDADDADDADDADD
Pretty please?~
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I played against a Legion yesterday and there's no sound.
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Thanks for reporting back. I thought there'd be no terror radius in or out of frenzy but I didn't know for sure. But the breathing sounds in frenzy are still loud enough for survivors to react to, yes?
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Yes, you can hear the heavy breathing while they are in frenzy but it's not much warning.
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It is enough for a healthy survivor to get off a gen before they get grabbed, which is something.
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