Spies from the Shadows is useless: Change my mind.
As a killer in Dead by Daylight you need to pick very good perks in order to counter the 16 perks the survivors will throw at you. Spies from the Shadows however strikes me as a poor choice because it does not actually do anything that isn't already happening.
Let me explain. Spies from the Shadows gives you a noise notification when crows are disturbed within a radius with a cool down of five seconds.
Overall, the entire perks purpose is to make cawing crows more noticeable. However, after you actually start paying attention to crows normally this perk has no value as you can do the perk's job yourself.
Allow me to summarize the crow mechanic:
1.) The crows spawn on a prop when the trial is generated.
2.) Survivor disturbs the crows and they shriek and take flight in a straight line skyward.
3.) After a short time has past the crows silently return to the prop by flying back down.
Provided you have good ears and good eyes you can use the crow mechanic well enough that you shouldn't need the notifications. Therefore I find that the perk is of little value, despite the praise it is given.
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Agree, but also the perk is useless because survivors in low ranks, don't play stealth.
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Look if "fic" the crow placement and prick the perk as was before it's nerf it will be good no broken good
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@Peasant - I cannot change your mind. However, I encourange everyone to use a Lery's map offering for a fun Spies from the Shadows game! There are crows all over that map and is probably the reason why they nerfed the perk. Crows go off constantly.
Anybody who hasn't tried this combination, please try it. Survivors will think you're a hacker.
Disclaimer: I haven't tried this post nerf.
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A lot of perks are “useless,” once you learn how to track better. I used to swear by Bloodhound til I managed to just learn to keep an eye and predict survivor movement.
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Killers use same perks always: NOED, Hex Ruin, Barbacue and then other one is Nurse calling 50% of times
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Doesnt matter how strong Spies is if the basic crows feel like on horse tranquilizer.
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If you manage to get haddonfield the perk is absolutely #########. There are a ton of crows that hang around the outskirts of the map. While yes if you are paying attention, you can get their location while they circle the map, it’s hard to see those outside areas behind fences and inside houses.
Granted, this is a very niche situation, but it’s fun to use there nonetheless. I did it once just to see, but I never kept it.
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Pre nerf it was actually really good for tracking survivors. It's range is much larger than your ability to hear crows and the noise notification means you can track survivors outside of your field of view. I play spirit so it also occasionally gives me an early warning when a survivor makes an unexpected juke.
Now however the cooldown and range reduction made both use cases unreliable and much worse compared to its ability to constantly keep tabs on multiple survivors at once.
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The new Spies is worthless but the old one was quite good.
Yes you can pay attention to crows but sometimes they go off behind you, while you are in a chase etc.
Yes you can do the perk's job by yourself but there are perks that improve bad players' gameplay and at worst, spies is one of those perks.
Wake up shows you where the exit gates are but you can pay attention to it.
Unrelenting compensates your miss but if you are good at the game you are not gonna miss.
Stake out is another perk that almost does the exact same thing, you can basically hit great skill checks. If you can do that, stake out is literally the worst perk in existence since it doesn't do anything.
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the real problem is the circular notification is so large it blocks your vision of the survivor
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Last match I played the perk didn't seem to work most of the time. I kept seeing the perk icon activating, but I didn't get any visual or audio cue. It was basically just an ineffective Whispers with a 5 second interval.
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Why are you trying to look for good logic in devs decisions? They are not gods and make mistakes. Perk wasnt strong and it got nerfed to the point no one will use it.
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Old Spies was much better. The new one is a waste.
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Old spies was better. New spies could be semi-useful if it wasn't actually broke.
Use it and watch it sometime. You'll see that the perk goes off without giving you a notification when it should.
However, on the couple games i played where it worked most of the time it should, it wasn't as bad as I was expecting. It was useful for Pig, at least.
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Spies From The Shadows should just show a crow's aura once it has been disturbed with no cool-down, maybe you hear a distorted crow caw if the survivor has disturbed it within ability range
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@JawsIsTheNextKiller I tried this pre nerf as a billy and it was insane, there was literally a notification every second. Post nerf however ruined this perk and not many were using it in the first place, I still don't get why it was nerfed...
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