Camping Meta
Thanks BHVR. Your absolute ass-######### pipping system has it so that every single game is a game where survivors are camped. Every single survivor game i've played for the past while has been the same. Camping and tunneling.
Thing is, with the pathing i'm seeing these killers take, they shouldn't be in the ranks they are, they are just trolling, cause, why bother pipping?
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Since when did camping become the most effective tactic available? I rarely see camping in my games anyway.
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They camp and tunnel because the game isn't balanced. If they balanced the game those things would go down tremendously. With the games current balance if you play fair, you lose. Bar obvious exceptions like nurse, ultra rares, survivors just playing like potatoes, etc.
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don't you need a certain amount of hooks to advance one of the emblems?And another needs to chase and to continuously injure the survivors? and actually try to stop them from working on gens? i don't think camping falls in any of these categories.
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We'll probably see a change if the endgame collapse is good enough to give killers a chance after all gens are done
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People camp because they don't know how to play, not because it's not balanced. And it's certainly not a meta tactic
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You're totally right OP.
Almost 2000 hours clocked. I played a fair Killer for at least 90% of my total Killer playtime but the recent changes had me go fully meme and trolling. No point in tryharding when it doesn't get rewarded.
Roleplaying "Bubba the Security Guard", 99% of my matches are heartless Insidious camping and what can I say? It's a lot more relaxing, a lot less frustrating. I don't care about pips or kills, I'm doing my job as security guard and that's it.
It's more fun than constantly dealing with looping and gen rushers, trust me. I get one hook and sit back, that's my only objective.
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Camping is the only universal counter to MoM.
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The pipping system nor the ranks have something to do with camping. Killers had camped and will camp until BHVR doesnt ignores the fact that this is an issue of high regard. You see them camping and tunneling through out every rank. they just dont care for ranks or pips. they just want to have a easy way to play and to ruin your gameplay as a survivor. 75% of the killers are just a bunch of toxic trash, who cant play the game properly cause theyre bad as hell.
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It's not a crime to be a bad player you know. If people feel insecure and therefore protect their hooks rather than looking for new ones, that's their way of playing and you have to accept that.
Often times Survivors can loop for such a long time that it's even more time efficient to just camp the Survivor instead of going after someone else. It's the result of poor game design.
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Not a single Killer, no matter how skillful he is, is obligated to play by some survivors made up rules. 90% of survivors are tbagging trash as well, who just exploit ######### map's design, so why Killer should act differently?
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Blind the killer automatically if he remains too close to the hook without being engaged in a pursuit ?
Increase bleeding time on the hook ?
Brok the hook if the Killer camp ? (Define an area around the hook)
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Here's a better alternative: go make your own game with a killer AI whose behavior you can dictate to your heart's content.
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@PiiFree: They wont get any better by camping and tunneling, just getting more grief. And camping and tunneling is nothing to accept. Do you accept thiefs in RL? Why not? Its their lifestyle. Sorry but acting like a moral apostel, justifying somethin thats not to be justified, thats BS. Learn to play the game properly and behave properly. Iam not that good of an killer myself but i dont camp or tunnel due to obvious reasons: im not a toxic player.
@Frozenscum: this isnt a survivor rule, thats how to be fairplay and not toxic trash. Also majority of survivors arent toxic. 89% of my teammates werent toxic, but 75% of the killers were. thats a fact throughout the last season. killers are the source of toxicity in this game. thats a fact.
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There was a camping meta? If so I was not alerted to this. I guess I just don't listen to the majority opinion I guess?
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Comparing someone playing in an unfriendly manner to irl criminal activity is the hottest take I've ever seen here. Well done.
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I don't have to get better, that's totally up to myself.
Did you just compare a camper / tunneler with a RL thief? Lol...
There's a clip where the developers themselves explain that Camping and Tunneling are totally legit and justified tactics and they're not going to punish players for using those strategies.
Also, if you consider camping or tunneling to be toxic, I consider looping and gen rushing to be toxic aswell. Ironically, 99% of the Survivors playerbase solely uses those two playstyles when they play Dead By Daylight.
...but hey, keep playing by the Survivors rulebook! I'm sure they enjoy your presence. Survivors love playing against bad Killers that are afraid to piss them off.
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@PiiFree: Devs already said that camping is situational but not overall wanted. thats how it is. they already understand that camping and tunneling is only hurting the game in general. so there is no way not do punish those who camp and tunnel all the time. comparing doing gens and looping with camping and tunneling is exactly that why the game is in bad shape. you dont want to understand anything regard toxicity. survivors have to loop in order to win chases, survivors have to do gen in order to escape. killer dont have to camp or tunnel for anything. they do it cause they can, not because they have to. but well i know you arent willing to understand that. so get lost.
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Survivors have the power to punish camping. It's your fault if you don't capitalize on that.
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"The killer is literally doing nothing for two minutes! Nerf!"
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since when was there a camping meta? Is this bait?
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Oh, so you're just another typical "SuRvIvOrS hAvE tO lOoP tO sUrViVe"?
My bad. I thought we could actually have a constructive, unbiased discussion about general playstyles that provide unfun experiences for the opposite side but I guess you're too biased towards your Survivor standards.
I guess you also support the imbalances 4x SWFs provide with no empathy for the Killers that have to face them on a regular basis? Yea, don't worry, I will get lost :-)
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I'll be getting lost in the eyes of survivors I'm inspired to camp today - one for each post in this topic, including mine :3
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I laughed out loud during a conference call reading this.
10/10
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who said it was effective points wise? They absolutely aren't piping for the face camping.
And when you are facing purple and red rank killers with groups of green survivors (cause that's where i've been survivor wise for a month, since i stopped playing nearly as much) the games are pretty much 4k's.
I litterally don't know how many trappers i've played against that don't lay a single trap, but know how to counter every kind of loop. I am a Red rank killer, have been forever. I can recognize when killers and survivors are pathing in the most optimal way possible. And these killers are.
They aren't trying to pip, they just want to get there power trip off. And sadly, it's made green ranks a nightmare, survivor wise. It's not hard to drop your rank to green, just lose a few games right before reset if you are red, drop to purple, and you wont start at purple, you'll start green. We all know this. Some of you (like me) Do it when you've bought a new killer and want to play them in lower ranks and learn them.
That's not counting the direct tunneling now. The ones that are trying to pip are straight up tunneling people out. And you kinda have to, if you want your pips as a killer. Even if you kill someone, if you haven't hooked them enough times, and smacked them enough, your overall total will be crap, and you will black pip.
edit: Hell you can see some of their posts here, people just camp for power fixes. Just read a few comments above this one to see proof.
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Camping will make you de-pip or atleast black pip
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@SmokePotion you said camping meta so it appears you do not know what “meta” means. It means most effective tactic available.
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That is literally not what it means. Meta just means it's the most used tactic, which is not necessarily the most effective.
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@MegsAreEvil I'm sorry but if you want to complain about camping please take your complaints to Mathieu Cote.
The actual game director is a camper, a huge one.
This guy would do the old "trap directly under the hook" trick and use insidious to hide nearby.
When they made it impossible to trap directly under the hook he switched to Hag and became a Hag hook camper.
Some people, the game's director included, like playing defensively. BHVR gave you tools to counter this. Borrowed Time, Kindred, Sprint Burst and Dead Hard all can help you counter camping. You can either use the tools given or not, but don't complain when digging a hole with just your hands hurts when there's a shovel, a trowel, a pickaxe, and some dynamite are all right next to you.
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i tried to argue what meta meant a long time ago. i'm done. The common meaning for Meta is "what everyone does" no one uses it to mean the actual most effective tactic available.
i could link a thread of mine that will show you pages of people arguing against me, and almost no one with me. You and I,who know the actual definition, are rare. And no one cares.
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@SmokePotion B-But...
We LoL clan care ._.
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@SmokePotion I guess the real meaning is forgotten then.
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Original meaning, sure, I acknowledge. However, this isn't like facecamping, where it was an exploit that popped up again after an update and went unnoticed because people referred to hard camping as "face camping". This is a term that changed over time.
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Except you can’t pip if you camp at red ranks... ever. Since you know... you lose a lot of points every 10 seconds if you’re within 16 meters of a hooked survivor and not in a chase.
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Which do you think is faster, a dictionary update, or a language evolving?
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I've always understood meta as being the most tactical option, used more than most other options because it's the best one.
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Meta litterly means "Most effective tactic available" lol
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Not talking about Red Ranks here. But, i can promise you that you can pip by tunneling people right out, at rank 1. I know, cause i've tested a few playstyles, at rank 1. And it's not that fun to be tunneled right out.
So just to reiterate this, cause people seem to misunderstand.
I'm not saying you are going to pip by face camping. I'm saying it's being done more now then before because many killers care even less about pipping now.
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But that's not what it is. Even if the original definition of "meta" is different from what it means now, it was always used with the same intent, because players (mistakenly) presume to know what the most effective strategy is. If a meta were truly the most effective strategy, then it would be stagnant outside game updates, but it is not. It constantly shifts and evolves as players gain a broader understanding of the game.
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Meta has always basically meant effective for me atleast, like meta perks for example I would not consider camping meta because it is only effective if the survivors are idiots.
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Most game metas DO only change with updates. I have no idea what you're on about.
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If the "meta" were the most effective strategy, it would never change outside game updates. To say that the meta changed is to acknowledge that you're not using it to refer to the most effective strategy.
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That's why so many games get boring without updates, because otherwise the meta doesn't change.
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Man you guys really will argue about ANYTHING.
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agreed
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