Dear BHVR. Thank you for killing Legion.
P3'd them long ago and waited for a "rework" since it wasnt too fun to play them or against.
Now it looks like I was waiting for a big nerf instead, that makes them even less fun to play and bland with a useless power. Welp, guess I will leave them on P3 Lvl 17 where I left them and never touch them again. RIP Legion.
But hey, there are good news! Now we don't have to worry about another unloopable killer , right guys?
And now we all wait for that freddy nerf I guess. Get the grave ready guys.
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Basically just another M1 killer...
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Yep, looks like it.
The roster gets bigger by number , but smaller by viable or fun to play killers...
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Yeah , no point even using their power, especially against those who are good at looping.
By the time you get them all of the gens will be completed. And against swf? May as well just dc from start xD
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Don't forget to complain about the new Killer called "The Homer". You haven't played them yet, so best to start your complaints now so they heard.
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I bought Legion with real money like 1-2 months ago and spent almost 6000 shards to get Susie and millions of bloodpoints because of the stupid grind. Feelsbadman.
I guess I'll never buy any dbd dlc again.
Back to playing Hillbilly 24/7. Hopefully the survivors enjoy getting downed in 10 seconds when they see me.
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Honestly I don't blame you, Legion is gonna be trash now. Rather they nerf Hillbilly than Legion.
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My god this is the most pathetic "rework" I've ever seen. BHVR you've lost it. You literally just made Legion a M1/worse version of Spirit due to whining. Instead of talking to people who play Legion, and have given tons of feedback on how to fix him without gutting him, you just ripped him to shreds and threw him out to us. Better rev them survivor ques up boys. Between how awful killers are treated, and the fact the "revert" to matchmaking utterly broke my game/pings, I can't even play killer if I wanted. Guess you got what you wanted BHVR and survivors.
Won't be many killers left at this rate.
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Luckily I bought them with shards but wasted shitload of BP to p3 them...
Other than that I bough every dlc with real money , 2 of which I was gifted.
I'll make sure to decline any DbD dlc gifts from now on and will not buy any myself. At best I will get them with shards.
I don't mind a rework, don't get me wrong. I thought legion was somewhat broke myself , is why I stopped playing them after getting p3. But what they did now...it's like they took a big stinking dump on all of the players who looked forward to playing a new and "improved" legion.
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Jeez, way to throw every single possible nerf at the Legion. It's ok though, because we made him 115% movement speed. Another boring M1 Killer.
Of course, all the Cryhard Survivors are dancing in the streets now. So it's fine
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We all know 115% is OP though.
Just give em 115% and all the legion players won't mind all of the gutting...
Jesus Christ what are they THINKING?!
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I can't wait until Legion actually starts destroying people and they call for nerfs. "Legion changes were too OP rEvErT tHeM NAO!!!"
How about we discuss the changes, and wait to see the actual repruscussions, instead of attacking, degrading, and berating the developers and other players over the decisions made.
In the end you paid to be ALLOWED to play the game. You're not entitled to anything staying any specific way. If they change something, and you don't like it, yelling and rioting and attacking them isn't going to fix anything. It only makes the community worse. Simply walk away and stop supporting them if you don't agree with their decisions to the point of anger.
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@Carpemortum Only sensible person on this thread. The Legion still gets a free hit at the start of a chase with his power. The Legion is still mid tier imo but I guess we'll have to wait and see for the PTB.
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@PolarBear Plague also gets a free hit with her power and look how much she is tearing up the meta, amiright?
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@Tzeentchling9 Yeah, look how mad people are that the plague isn't strong. Plague doesn't even get a free hit since you actually need to aim the vomit and can't just vault a pallet and hit a survivor. Only thing better about Plague is the corrupt vomit but good players won't use fountains so Legion will probably be better since at least he can get that first hit faster than Plague
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Oh, the two Survivor mains are the only sensible people here? Who'd have thought.
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@DocOctober Im a survivor main now? Hon, I play both sides. So please keep your bias bullshit at home.
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Then I especially don't see why you're OK with the changes, if you truly play both sides.
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The legion change is good minus loosing frenzy for missing a hit. If It just stunned I’d be happy.
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@DocOctober Becuase most of the changes aren't as bad as people want to think.
The only real issues are the full drain on one missed attack, and not being able to see blood in frenzy anymore, imo.
I don't even mind the slightly reduced frenzy speed given that their base is faster AND frenzy lasts longer.
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@PolarBear You're delusional. These changes hit Legion way too hard. Having to need to wait for a full power meter before using? Uncalled for. Missed attacks cause it to end? I know that this is aimed to stop the lunge speed boost spamming, but that's a rather harsh way to stop it...
Not to mention the Deep Wound changes being abusable on the survivors end. Don't want to bother with healing it yet? Just hide in the terror radius out of sight of the killer. That and the fact you can longer see how far it's ticked down as a killer is just.....terrible.
As is you can use Legion's power in two ways: To out survivors, force them to heal collectively and slow down gen progress. Or alternatively you can chase down one survivor to force them down, and then get a hook. Granted one use is better overall than the other, but both are still good uses. After the update? It's best use is indeed to start a chase, and only that. It's honestly a garbage fusion of Hillbilly's and Spirit's powers.
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@DocOctober I play both sides fairly equally.
@Jarsix I don't see how you can judge these changes so harshly when you haven't even tested them out yet. The deep wound changes needed to happen. I wish there was a way to stop people cheesing the chase mechanic but that was never going to happen. I'm not sure if it was necessary to stop Legion from knowing how much the deep wound has gone down. Why wouldn't you get punished for missing with the power? Now you can try to outplay the legion, maybe 360 possibly.
If versus good survivors, Legion will probably be better than the Plague since good survivors don't use fountains.
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Distance covered is a variable of speed multiplied with time.
If you increase time, the distance will increase. However, our dear devs, because they can't buff something without nerfing something else as well, have both increased the distance AND decreased the speed.
I may be paranoid at this point, but since DbD's history speaks for itself here, I'm pretty sure that they lowered the speed just enough so that IF there will be more distance with the new changes, the difference to now will probably be pretty close if not the same, so effectively making no change at all, except for that it'll now take longer for Legion to catch up to the Survivor due to the lowered speed, which in turn gives the Survivor more time to reach a vault or a pallet, which we all know are prevalent on the Maps, by the time Frenzy runs out, which in turn makes all this a nerf to Legion's Feral Frenzy.
I just tend to think a bit more outside of the box than the average player or dev for that matter.
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Free hit.
That's what's their power good for now. Not to actually help you catch them , but to just give them that one hit and then have to chase them like a trapper without traps or a billy with no chainsaw. I think trapper will be way better cuz he can actually prevent loops.
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It's windstorm Wraith all over again.
"Here's windstorm, but you're slower, and you uncloak a second longer."
So, WS doesn't do anything then?
"It's a buff stop whining, god."
But it's a nerf.
"It's live."
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@Caretaker his windstorm add-on is still really good.
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Well , every killer can have easy 4k against a team of newbies especially if they are solo.
In my 1st game as Freddy with 1 perk i got easy 4 , so it means Freddy is OP?
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Yes, but I'm talking about the core mechanic changes. It didn't change anything.
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My point precisely.
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Now here's the issue with the missed attack change, and why it's too drastic. If they wanted to avoid the speed boost lunge-spam, just give their Feral Frenzy lunge a longer CD, OR remove it all together. Having it completely deplete the power is also too hefty of a punishment as you can whiff for several reasons, most notably lag or a sudden shift in direction from the survivor, which in this case can easily end a chase and cause the Legion to loose the Survivor very easily.
Now if they had given the lunge a CD instead of the missed attack change it'd make it so that a survivor really needs to think about when they drop a pallet as Legion could easily catch back up to them by vaulting, or if they stun them they can then run and Legion likely has to break the pallet and go elsewhere.
Now to add onto it the Deep Wound changes mean that Legion can longer attempt to lower the DW bar low enough that the survivor will need to heal ASAP outside of a chase or else be downed. At current DW cannot down you if you are mending so the timer outright pausing while mending is honestly just a really odd change....
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Legion like this is a m1 killer with a power that can be used as bad map travers. Thats it. Very loopable.
The rare occasion that you hit multiple close survivors (after they know its legion players with more then 80 iq wont group up anymore) and then chase 1 of them dosent make up for that.
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@DocOctober You think outside the box but it seems you jump into a lot of conclusions. We don't know how much they increased the time on the frenzy so to start criticizing the changes so much this early is not that smart. Maybe don't think outside the box rn and just wait for the PTB. I would really like to hear what you think after you've had a hands on experience with him so if you're gonna post about him please tag me.
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@DocOctober Hon, pease stop acting like those edgelords on YT. You think outside the box more than a developer but can't see how a BT change isn't to punish killers?
You try to break down time as an equation. But lets just talk reality.
They RAISED base speed. You can chase without frenzy normally now.
They LOWERED frenzy speed. You can't chase AS fast in frenzy. ( You shouldnt chase in frenzy anyways. You should use it to get a first hit and follow up or tag a nearby survivor)
They RAISED the duration of frenzy. Not the distance you can travel. You could arguably cover the same distance as before this change, but at a slightly slower rate.
Your scenario is a tad flawed.
" except for that it'll now take longer for Legion to catch up to the Survivor due to the lowered speed"
You don't chase in frenzy, you chase normally, which has had it's speed increased.
That is where your scenario breaks down.
Besides all of this refuting your absurd points, you say you don't see how Im okay with the changes if I play both sides. I do, and I'm okay with MOST of the changes. It's funny that the real change issues (losing all frenzy in one miss, no blood) isn't what you want to talk about. You hold onto your false logic and try to call ME biased?
Nah, I'm out of this one too hon. You can say you think outside of the box, but thats not exactly hard when the box is so far tipped to one side it falls over and opens.
<3
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I can say personally I've lost and won against legion since release with no real issues. People paid money to play their game and their chapter apon their design. I'm not sure how else killers are supposed to work around how Mending works with OTHER KILLERS if we are getting in trouble by tracking survivors while they are bleeding out
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And that means that he's another killer that will have to worry about MoM.
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It's a bit delusional at this point, after all past changes we've got that had the same premise, to still think that they wouldn't have done precisely what I predict they did.
Call me brandished in that regard, but I have not forgotten DbD's past and it speaks for itself.
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@BigBubs I didn't say they'd be mad he could 4k. I meant genuinely become more powerful than all these knee jerk reactions think is possible. It should be funny to see.
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I thought you were done debating with me?
If you don't understand simple maths, then it's not my problem. The increased regular speed is not an argument, because it doesn't apply to Feral Frenzy.
If the devs increase the duration, but significantly lower the speed, the resulting end distance can be rightfully assumed to be near equal to what we currently have or even worse in the WCS.
Combine that with it taking longer to cover the same distance in Feral Frenzy as it did before, the result is that Survivors will have more time to reach a safe spot before Legion is close enough to land an attack. Even when Frenzy then runs out and Legion can chase them faster thanks to 4.6m/s, it doesn't change the fact that instead of having applied Deep Wound, the Survivor is still healthy and safe and sound behind a pallet or a window or at a jungle gym, all things that are abundant on the maps and easy to reach.
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@DocOctober I'm trying to be but you just won't quit.
"The increased regular speed is not an argument, because it doesn't apply to Feral Frenzy."
Then why mention it will be hell to chase someone "WHILE SLOWER" as you said.
" the Survivor is still healthy and safe and sound behind a pallet or a window or at a jungle gym, all things that are abundant on the maps and easy to reach."
You mean like against every other 115% killer?
GTFO here.
I'm done responding to your nonsense. You make arguments with points that are inconceivably stupid, and then fall back to a different point? Right.
Bye hon.
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You have no business telling me to get the ######### out of anywhere. If you don't want to engage with me any further, stop replying, it's that simple.
I'm looking at the Legion changes with Legion-glasses on, meaning I'll disregard other Killers, as these changes do not concern them. From a Legion POV, my scenario and argumentation is sound, even if you don't want to see it that way many others do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA
When you invest time and money on one of the worst chapters created in DBD history LUL
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That’s the problem, you’re looking from a Legion POV. You’re so use to playing a certain style that you’re afraid to adapt to the new changes.
Also like @Carpemortum had already mention, the changes you see are currently just on paper. You should actually wait until you actually experience playing as them. You probably will end up liking the changes, then there’s a chance you won’t. Either way you won’t know until the PTB.
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What is this thread even complaining about? Surely you aren't whining about the mend time exploit. I've heard that they plan on making some changes to Legion and Frank's Mix Tape, but as far as I know, nothing official has been announced concerning the specifics. So are you just crying about something you know nothing about or has there been an announcement that I've missed?
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@Dreamnomad They announced a whole slew of upcoming Legion changes, in detail today. Most are alright, some are questionable. I don't have the link to it, but they've given us pretty specific details.
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Yeah, you should all wait for the changes to be part of the game before jumping to conclusions.
Just like MoM. People jumped to conclusions.
And they were 100% right about it.
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@Condorloco_26 Lol that's funny. 100% right? hahaha
Just like they were right when Head On was gonna be DS 2.0?
It's only "op" until the new complainable perk drops.
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This is exactly what I thought when I read the changes.
Who cares if the power lasts longer if you are slower? It just means you get to where you could before but it takes you longer to get there.
If in a game they give the choices between:
A) "You can run faster but not for as long."
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B) "You can run for longer but not as quickly"
Almost 100% of the time anyone would choose option A. Because getting somewhere faster is always better than getting somewhere slower.
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Thanks. It would be nice if people would link to an announcement when beginning a topic instead of assuming everyone has already seen what they've seen. My knee-jerk reaction after reading the announcement is very negative. Losing the entire frenzy for a single miss seems extreme. If it was 1/3 or even 1/2 meter for a miss then I would consider it more fair.
The more I think about the changes, the more I hate them. It feels like they've lost everything that mattered or was special about them. The entire Deep Wound mechanic is pointless and stupid now. It should drastically increase the amount of time required to mend so it at least puts survivors in a proper time out now. BHVR really dropped the ball on this update imho.
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@Carpemortum No one said Head on would be DS 2.0
Everyone (every red rank killer, at least) said MoM would be DS 2.0 the day the perk was "leaked"
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