The Legion Rework: This feedback is retired

This.

I already haven't touched the game in months and fell to 20/20. At this point I doubt I'll be back. Still haven't bought ash, probably won't any time soon.

They do Freddy dirty like this and I'll just hit delete on my 60 ish dollar investment, and go play games that don't get ruined to appease the vocal minority.

Remember behavior, no killers, no game.

Would be too strong if Legion, for every survivor he hits, the timer get reduced by 25%, so if he hits all 4 survivors single frenzy, the 4th survivor gets instant downed? The deep wound timer doesn't feel like it will impact in his gameplay after the change.

You don't say. However the person I was responding to was talking about M1 and base move speed.

"LEARN TO M1 THESE CHANGES ARE HEAVEN SENT AAAAAAAA 115 LEGION IM FINNA CREAM"

In case you missed it.

@GodDamn_Angela

By that logic, how is any killer different than any other killer other than move speed? If were talking explicitly about M1.....

Their powers.

@ricardo You mean you cant cheese them with your power. You can hit them, and follow up FASTER than previously. Given you save time not waiting for frenzy to come back multiple times, it's not that drastic of a time difference in downing someone.

@Supernaut No, they can still deal with loopers, just like every other killer already could. You just cant spam the ability and down someone after hopping the pallet.

I feel like being looped is a killer gameplay problem and not killer related. Break pallet immediately. No more loops.

@Jimmy_Voorhees yeah, they are in a stabbing frenzy. You don't stop when you miss! It's not as dramatic as most are making out but it is a bit of a butchering

I'm seeing very little reason to use deep wounds over basic attacks. At least on paper it sounds like there is almost no danger to it as long as killer remains in the vicinity and none at all if they abandon the hunt completely in favor of someone else. Can you still down someone with frenzy or is it just a gimmick for a quick hit on healthy survivors?

There is 1 additional change they could make that would redeem this iteration of the legion:

• Feral Frenzy now downs survivors who do not have deep wounds if they are injured when hit.

They have to mend eventually since otherwise they die. But this way DW mostly acts more as a buffer to prevent Frenzy being used to instadown healthy survivors while also giving him downing potential in general

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Absolutely delighted with these changes. DELIGHTED.

@Jimmy_Voorhees I'm already on it for the Spirit bug (although that's just a bug I'm still waiting for it to be fixed)

I'm willing to also wait for this to be fixed too.

@Ultima Killer buffs/Survivor nerfs however?

Get into PTB, never leave it

The whole 'all of your power depleting after 1 missed swing' is too much. Literally no other killer gets punished this hard for missing. I personally think Nurse, Plauge and Spirit are good examples of how ######### Legion really is.

Nurse gets fatigue yes, but after that she can just teleport again, it's basically a pallet stun and then she's up and about again.

Plauge is slow while charging, and canceling purge as well, but you can still start her power right after canceling or using purge. It's kind of similar to Nurse with not really having a cooldown.

Spirit needs to wait until her power is fully recharged before using it, but she doesn't get stunned while coming out of phasewalking or when canceling. Her power gauge also gets recharged pretty quick, and she moves crazy fast (dunno if the movement speed on Legion will help them with FF, so take the crazy fast part with a grain of salt.)

Legion will get stunned (or whatever you want to call it) by either canceling or depleting FF, and then you have to wait for It to recharge fully. While you wait, you cannot do anything except being an M1 killer, everything that made Legion interesting gets deleted out of existance for a couple of seconds, and then you're (probably) good to go again.

The problem with this is that Legion gets punished way too much time wise for using their power, because one wrong step and you have lost a lot of valuable seconds to a chase or whatever else you're doing. It feels like you are better off just using FF to travel across the map (I started of by playing Legion like this and it is not as fun as to use FF to apply deepwound to multiple survivors imo), it takes away everything cool and unique Legion had to offer with FF.

Everything else regarding this update is pretty neat though, but this is the thing that bothers me the most.

Why would the developers drop all this info about legion changes, but they dont tell us what exactly their new add ons are?

That's a huge part of any killer, most killers these days their add ons either make or break them. Most of the legion changes suck, but at least seeing the addons could make everyone's outlook a little different.

Having played both killer and survivor a decent bite,

I agree with OP on all counts, except a few notes:

I do think that missed attacks resulting in depletion of power may be a bit extreme, maybe a 25% reduction is what I would've done had it been me.

DW timer stopping in TR is wonderful, about time! It never made sense when they nerfed BT to become a DW timer.

Removing Blood in Frenzy makes sense, reduces tunneling and breaking chase exploits.

DW timer pausing while mending is a good thing, it prevents the killer from just walking up to survivors who literally just have to stand there or collapse. It provides some counterplay.

DW timer doesn't reduce with subsequent attacks, this is a good change, to discourage tunnelling and provides survivors to have some counterplay vs legion. The increased base movement speed to legion is to help the killer due to this change while chasing.

Overall Great changes! Could've probably gone with just a 25% loss per missed attacks. Hopefully BT no longer counts as DW. Perhaps now I won't have DCs when we go against legion.

I don't play legion very often but maybe if you're going to penalize that harshly for a missed swing, make their lockon better?

@HURRI_KAIN he can’t see you, he can see a indicator of where you are. Why are you hiding in a locker against legion or huntress anyway?