Can we stop buffing borrowed time please?

@KingB That's a decent, albeit relatively situational, point. That assumes that the killer hits them, chases them but loses them, and either does not search the area well enough and leaves, or searches to find nobody, as they're hiding in the TR and not mending.

It also assumes they're not running whispers or stridor, already, or in response to the change for just this. The old "perks for every issue" thing.

I would assume it wont be used like that in the endgame, as most people take the hit and run as far away as possible, towards the exit gates.

But, let's be honest, if a killer loses track of someone they're chasing, late game or not, and they believe they have borrowed time, most good killers won't waste time searching for that one person. They'll do a sweep if they lose LoS, and move on, as to not get hung up on one person and let 3 others run rampant.

While I can't argue that there isn't a situation that it is NOW slightly more useful, it being unable to be moonwalk exploited is a far better change than this perceived buff is. The buff, if it can actually be considered that, is minimal compared to the QoL fix it's gotten. It also still does it's job effectively. It is intended to prevent tunneling on an unhook.

Pre-Legion BT would be so much worse. It would go back to killers hitting you and jsut following you around. Which is what the timer was supposed to prevent in the first place.

But I do again have to say, it's a small situation I hadn't fully considered, even as situational as it may be.

@KingB I get where you're coming from about the pre Legion BT, but that version was so much worse. Even if it felt more balanced, the way it worked ENCOURAGED tunneling. It turned into "I hit them, but they're not down yet? F that i'm just gonna follow them until they hit the ground."

At least with the bleedout change that attitude was curbed. Granted you can still tunnel, but if so you actually HAVE to catch up and land that second hit.

I think they should just give BT its own distance values, if withing X meters of killer it won't tick down. Keep it at what a chase distance is supposed to be. This way you cant negate Bleedout with moonwalking, but you also cant hide 25 meters away with no repercussions.

See how that works maybe as a nice middle ground.

@KingB True, given how many second chance perks are in game now, putting BT on a base timer would balance things a little better.

BT, MoM (as NOT OP as it actually is), Dead Hard put together could make a 2k into a 0k nightmare.

If the old timer was in place even with them possibly escaping with the other perks, they would eventually hit the ground.

Was it actually confirmed that the Deep Wound changes also affect BT instead of just Legion’s Frenzy?

Look at the Deep Wound changes on The Legion Update.

https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/57702/the-legion-update#latest

It pauses when in the killers radius now no matter if your in a chase or not. The Killers can no longer see the progress bar go down, they'll just see it as full until the survivor goes down or mends. and Lastly, the timer now Pauses when your mending too.

They should rename it to "annoying time consuming status"

Everyone does realized it was buffed because of legion right

If there werent as many killers face camping hooks and tunneling players off them there wouldnt be so many complaints therefore devs have to listen if it gets to a certain percentage of the player base otherwise who would play the game admit this is only to a certain degree i.e if the gates are powered you get a hook etc you wanna proxy but when its the 1st hook at 5 gens what is the point of it ? It cant be banned because of the 2 different situations given and they expect players to respect the difference and this happens to me 8 out 10 games so you cant complain to anyone but the killers responsible for causing the buff to happen

Just my opinion good fog dwellers

If you punish people for whatever you think camping and tunneling are, they will still do it as well. The difference is, rewards work better than hitting someone with a baseball bat.

@KingB Whether it affects you or not is irrelevant.

Fact is BT was nerfed by adding DW effect and decreasing timer. Think of this, prior to nerf you could get off and go heal, after nerf even if you don't get hit, if you don't get mended you'll go down. It is a nerf. It does weaken the perk. With potato teams or killers abusing the chase mechanics, DW will down you.

The best use of BT was to be unhooked and run to exit. After the nerf you have 5 seconds less to get to the exit, then you are dying. That 5 seconds can mean the difference between escaping and not. It was nerfed. I don't understand why this is even a discussion. It was nerfed plain and simple. lol.