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How to Keep the Player Base happy with Legion's Nerfs - Offer Refunds
Everything from the rework looks good except this
- The Deep Wound timer progress is no longer reduced by regular Feral Frenzy attacks.
This completely renders Legion's power useless, catching survivors with Power won't work anymore since you will get stun every time after you use your power, and you need to wait until its fully charged, can't see Blood etc seems a bit overkill. Meanwhile Nurse can just teleport and instant hit.
Anyway so to keep the player base happy simply offer in game Auric Cells for those who bought the Legion. I have 4 Legion skins myself, so if Legion is unplayable at high rank after this change many would be very sad, he's already bad without using the Moonwalk exploit. That change from above will completely render him useless/ Freddy tier
Please consider this devs to keep the playerbase happy
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If this wasnt done, there wouldn't be counterplay to legion. Gauranteed downs with very little outplay potential.
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I mean if this wasn't done there would be no counterplay.
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I mean they already change the TR radius to 32, and now Mend timer doesn't drop when the survivor is in Legion's terror's radius.
Combining those changes along with can't see blood, fully depletes on missed attack, requiring full charge seems overkill
Anyhow the best solution at this point is to offer refunds via Auric Cells
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All changes may not be implemented on release, we may never know yet. They're currently looking at feedback and may not go through with everything, so if you see something you're not happy with, they'll more than likely not implement it if there's a majority vote. :)
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Yeah, I already submit my review on steam, I would suggest everyone else to do the same. That one change is the worst out of all, he's already very weak without using Moonwalk. He will be sadly trash tier on release. I highly doubt the devs will change this.
most of the things from PTB does goes live, so at this point it's better hoping for a refund, to keep both playerbase happy
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These changes were better for the health of the game much like the changes we saw for DS - with these changes they fixed the ways that we weren't supposed to play Legion (spam frenzy & moonwalking) and instead made direct buffs to the intended way of playing Legion which is to chain hits and stall the game.
It's fine to not like the changes but I think before we jump to conclusions and say "refund us" we should see how these changes play out on the 23rd when the PTB rolls out.
Edit : Also keep in mind, you can't expect a refund after you've used a product enough. If you've used it enough, then it has served it's purpose as something you pay $7 for.
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Refunding my overall favorite killer in the whole game? ######### no
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I feel like this would be a valid option.
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Good luck chaining hits as "intended" while having a 32 meter terror radius and an even slower moving Frenzy. Even with duration and speed boosts combined with MA ambushes all the survivors needed to do was spread the moment they do hear that heartbeat to make you chaining 2 hits very difficult.
The devs should've never made a killer with an exploit (who still wasn't good) that was completely impossible to fix without completely nerfing the killer in general.
This rework just seems like a shell of an incomplete killer they couldn't ever fix because of the moonwalk. Without a doubt the biggest fail of a killer yet. With needing a full bar to start Frenzy. There really isn't much reason to ever use Frenzy at all anymore that I can see. People can't go down if our large ass terror radius. You might as well just M1 them....
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Please just try the ptb first. <3 :)
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We have to wait for it to come out.
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I’m waiting for the ptb but if these Legion changes are as bad as I think they are I should be allowed a full refund. I payed for what I saw and liked these changes kill the reason I bought them for.
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What suprised me about the Darkness Among Us DLC you need to unlock Joe and Susie in store after you buy this dlc...
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Get fudged. Legion deserved the nerfs. Between him and the hag they're the 2 killers I'm sick of versing. There are 12 killers total. Move onto another one and gitgud.
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Hope you don't mind versing snowballing bbq Hillbilly all day. 😁
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I wouldn’t say it’s 100% useless, but it turns Legion into an M1 killer and we all know what happens to those...
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We start running NoED and devour soap and hoping for the best.
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Maybe wait until he is Live before you all act if the world is ending?
And well... Its up to you if you buy a DLC and Cosmetics. Nobody forces you to it and in an Onlinegame, you should expect things to get nerfed, buffed or rebalanced. There is nothing written that paid content will not be touched, so its all on your own risk.
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@Aven_Fallen remember the last times community feedback changed something in ptbs?
Also survivor whining worked for DS buffs right after its rework, killers are learning from their enemies.
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With that attitude the playerbase will not be buying the DLCs and support the Devs anymore
I am one of the best nurses around, when a survivor gets spotted they get downed within 15-30 seconds, I will be constantly playing Nurse after this update, hope you have fun with us
Anyone with a decent amount of hours on this game would know why the changes are overkill. I'm not a Legion main, I play all Killers, but the changes are too much.
- The recharge time of Feral Frenzy is increased and now requires a full power gauge to use it
- The movement speed of Feral Frenzy is significantly reduced
- The Legion can no longer see blood pools
- Feral Frenzy is immediately and automatically cancelled whenever The Legion misses an attack
- The Deep Wound timer progress is no longer reduced by regular Feral Frenzy attacks.
It would be a good rework if it didn't have the last change. The last change completely will kill Legion. Because he would need M1 to kill survivors after this change
He can't use it to chase survivors either, because when he vaults over, Legion gets stunned, meaning now survivor can just jump back to the vault where Legion came from, aka he becomes a loopable Killer.
Put pressure on survivors? Now with his significantly reduced speed, and requiring full power to activate, it makes it much less likely this will happen, and if survivors starts running your power will end very soon and fail to put pressure on survivors
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"With that attitude the playerbase will not be buying the DLCs and support the Devs anymore"
No. This is part of every Onlinegame. If you buy something, it is not guaranteed that this will never be touched again. I mean, there were guys at BHVR who created Legion and were like "Wow, this is cool"...Nope, it isnt. And then they got feedback and of course they change it.
But yeah, this happens in every game... Besides that, you would not have to spend any money on Killers like Legion anyway.
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Legions moonwalking had to go. I 100% agree but being unable to down with his power is utter crap. They already reduced his ms to allow survivour more leeway to not get hit.
On top of that he has no anti loop whatsoever. A mechanic needed to be added to legion when you rip out half of his tools. Make no mistake the chase legion gameplay needed to be removed but downing with his power is relatively harmless considering the large amount time required to score that down.
Zero effort was put into this rework no additions only subtractions. He got freddied. Behaviour did so well with the ds changes and many perk improvements im ashamed of this half ass rework. I can not in good conscious recomend a killer dlc if this is the aittude they take to resolving a problematic killer or survivour perk and i hope they dont think this will suffice.
Legions power should be based around body blocking pallets to compensate for his loss of ff downing. Rework add ons to include mangled to compensate for add ons ceasing to work. Add ons that increase action speed when vaulting objects. These are just a few ideas but the ms increase will not suffice.
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Hey look, an inverse Spirit. I can see survivors, just not their scratches or blood. NEAT! Glad I got him on sale when I liked him. I most definitely would NOT be purchasing him now and I have a good guess that nobody else will either. Devs, keep the smaller terror radius, the decreased frenzy speed is needed. The mending stops in terror radius is a good idea, but 'The Deep Wound timer progress is no longer reduced by regular Feral Frenzy attacks'. The Legion is powerful, but dumb. Think *NOT TRYING TO OFFEND ANYONE* (Insert Commonly Used Term Here) Strength. He can do a lot of damage, but against any skilled survivors, Legion gets their butt handed to them unless they know how to play Legion well. These updates make it where a properly and well played Legion is now impossible, because nobody who uses Feral Frenzy intelligently has the time to wait for that bar to recharge. Unless these endgame changes are going to remove all obstacles or walls entirely, all someone has to do is teabag at a window/vault after a Legion is done in Frenzy and can just taunt them. That is worse than waiting on Freddy to pull someone to the Dream Realm.
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Where has it been stated that he gets stunned after vaulting? The changes to deep wound prevent downing with feral frenzy and moonwalking, both things that have little to no counterplay. The legion will now be able to move farther than before with feral frenzy, the larger terror radius helps to locate survivors that are farther away. You can no longer down with frenzy but you can still use it to cut the time of the chase in half, cancel frenzy and chase like any other 115% killer.
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With the new changes, even if you vault you can't do nothing, if you hit = stunned, if you do nothing = stunned. So while you're stunned, the survivor can simply vault back to where you came from (Pellet/ Window)
Meaning now, people can actually Loop Legion
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I would like refund to =) since dev cant balance anything they should offer refunds for all killers that u buy cause we all know they end up in trash bin (look at poor plague nerf for no reason even before release still annoyed over that) and now the legion this wasn't a nerf this just made him/her unplayable beyond belief great job devs as usual (sarcasm) 😑
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