Nice Freddy V2, huge BT buff, and catering to survbois
You have completly trashed this character by reducing the Feral Frenzy movement speed, and making them not see blood and scratchmarks.
This thread is not only about Legion - the recent change is a damn sign of how much you bow before survivors and cater to every their "complaint", while killers still struggle with several issues and BUGS, that hinders them. But, yeah, "adapt".
This is a sign of how little you know about your own game. BT will be unbearable with MoM, DS and fourth second chance perk of your choice. You don't test your own patches, and even if you do, your "testing team" is useless. We have all seen them playing on one of your streams, they don't even hit survivors running in straight line, because they miss their attack, and while playing as a survivor they panic and run in straight line or around the killer. Are they people in charge of testing the game? Pathetic.
You only show us how much you cater to the crying survivors - fine. But don't make a ######### Pikachu face when survivors will have to wait 30 minutes to find a match.
Don't have more words for you, because you don't even care about it. There are 2 people, who are competent in your silly company - Peanits and Not_Queen. But guess what? They can do ######### regarding the balance, because you have your "own balance specialist".
Have fun wondering why killers' population drops and hits the ground.
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Even though I promotes survivor buffs. I'm triggered and I don't think the legion needs that so many nerfs. I understand that by devs word "update" now will means the "nerf"...
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Survivors should not be buffed in this way. Their stealth gameplay should be improved if so (but honestly - it is not hard to stealthy juke the killer), whille exploits like looping should be removed.
Destroying the killers is not the way to go, especially compared with enormous buffs for survivors' most cancerous perks.
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BT definitely should not be buffed like this firstable. Secondly there is basically no buffs for the legion, so what are we need to test it? A new M1 trapper without traps? 🤣
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I think the same way tbh, it's not just about Legion, it's about how killers are and always have been in a massive disadvantage. If this is the treatment killers get... We are better off just leaving the game. I havent played killer since MoM came out because I felt insulted, I used to be rank 1 but now Im rank 9-8 or something like that, I havent even checked. If the end-game collapse is another dissapointment like the Legion rework I guess I'll never get to see Freddy's rework... I hope devs realize one day all the bs killers have to face and do something about it...
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I noticed this as well, I am fine with the update because I will never leave legion, but it really is starting to piss me off on how much they have buffed survivors, and nerf killers
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It has been like that from the beginning.
But now... It is more unbearable than before, especially with more cancerous perks for survivors.
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Not gonna lie, it's more that the higher ups force these kinds of changes down the throats of QA team and the devs pretty much have no say otherwise. Either way, there are at least one or two devs who actually don't deserve the hate they get, but unfortunately work for ######### bosses.
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And said 2 devs have no power there, so nothing is gonna change, unfortunately.
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Some of us are getting on the last straw and are ready to leave the game.
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It does feel like the Devs have no clue about balance that or they're catering to survivors since their the majority and probably make them more money.
I Haven't played since MoM got released, It felt like a slap in the face to killers after a 2 year wait to balance DS. It's obvious the game has a Bias, just look at SWF and how game braking it is but nothings been done about it.
I'm waiting for the end game changes to make a final decision on if I'll uninstall or not. I Hope there's some good changes in their especially with all the second chance perks you can now stack as survivor making killers useless in the current end game.
I Just wish they'd buff solo survivor with the information SWF has and then buff killers powers accordingly to all be viable and give the trials some variety. It'd fix so much wrong with the game and be so much better for overall balance but for some reason they wont.
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Thank you sir.
For speaking the truth out.
I am done hearing survivor complaints about how killers are too strong etc.
They simply are not.
Survivors are giving them the space to be powerful ,thats how this game sadly works.
Killers are only viable when they are playing nurse.
But even then survivors demand nerfs.
Killers in general are #########, they can't do ######### and they aer only toys for the survivors to play with.
The game is changing in a direction, I don't like.
Since they announced the 2 years anniversary all the updates which came up, were ######### and shadow nerfs for killers.
The only positive change, were the DS nerf, but was followed by MoM as a replacement.
All the new killer perks are basically trash (when not playing top tier killers already), while most of the new survivor perks are trash either, but atleast they are new and innovative and a few of them extremely strong, like deliverance or MoM.
The killer perks which werent trash are behind a pay wall, like everything in this game. The perks which are needed to actually make a game last more than 2 minutes have to get paid for.
How ironically. Even with the best perks, the best addons, a good swf team will still dominate you with holding Mouse 1. lol, what a game.
Since now BT is getting a buff, Legion is getting nerfed in the ground, while Legion is already a ######### killer, I wonder when they nerf Freddy?
This game is dying and it seems they are milking the cash cow one last time, with releasing overpowered perks behind a paywall and encourage everyone to play survivor to force them to buy characters to get access to their perks.
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Uninstall it, buddy, just like I did today - devs alongside with survivors will ######### killers to death, and then spit on their corpses, nothing is going to change for better, only for worse.
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Look, I understand your frustrations. And I agree with you on a lot of things.
But being rude and behaving in a over the top way will not help the situation. Being jailed or banned will help even less. Please, calm down. And give your feedback in a respectful manner.
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GAH!
All killer gonna leave cause... There aren't other killers to play....Cause.... You have to deal with some perks foolishness..
HOW COME YOU LET THE SURVIVOR RUN! WHY? I can't have any fun if they run around all the time.
Geez.
Answer me this riddle...
How long'eth in playtyme befor'eth thy notices thy can play'eth mor'eth then'eth one sid'eth?
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I used to be polite and calm, but no more.
After telling us to "go play something else".
After several unfair buffs and nerfs to the both sides.
After catering almost only to the one side of the community.
After making meaningles PTBs and ignoring every feedback we gave to them.
After releasing cancerous perks for the stronger side of the playerbase, while nerfing the weaker.
After making unreasonable changes to the game.
After threating their customers like a brainless milk-cows.
After their ignorant attitude towards us, the community.
After being so much incompetent on doing what they are supposed to do.
I can't be polite anymore. I don't care it they ban me, or that I "hurt their feelings". I am as polite as I can considering the ######### they throw at us.
And believe me, I am fighting myself to tell what I really think about them, but I think those words should remain unspoken.
Like I said - there are maybe 2 people I trust in the dev team, but they can't do nothing - instead, we have people who test their changes in a hermetic group of R21s and rely on their "feedback".
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Yeah, you won't bait me, kid. Go away and play with other trolls.
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What’s the BT buff?
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@RSB But what you posted is pretty funny. I was trying to add some humor into it. No?
You are angry. Why so angry son?
Here is what I do... I take a deep deep breath and as I exhale I mumble.. "The sun will come out tomorrow... tomorrow..."... then I hang my head down and feel all the anger flow out of my body onto the floor and into the drain.... twirling, twirling.... I like to think of a survivor spinning at my feet...
But seriously...
This is just a game. Sure there can be things to get mad at now and then, but really? The Devs aren't going out of their way to make an attack against you, but the way you post is like someone is chasing you down and you're in full panic mode.
Killers aren't going to bail out and stop playing.. neither are survivors.. not right now.. not because of the Legion update coming.. Your rant seems a little nonsensical.
Have fun.. remember it is a game. You must have gotten some enjoyment right if you've been here this long. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Assuming the DW nerf translates to the DW given from Borrowed Time, all killers with a large terror radius will get shafted.
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Timer won't deplete in killer's TR and the killer won't be able to see the timer. Timer won't deplete while mending.
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Sounds like no big deal. When BT procs you’re either gonna tunnel the survivor or not, and didn’t it already change to not deplete in a chase?
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It changes tge perk that gives you a timer, to perk that literally gives you a free life. Survivor will be able to just follow killer and won't be downed by BT, Doctor will get shrekt, survivor will not be pressured to mend, and while mending the timer will stop, giving survivor more room to breath.
Combine it with MoM, Adrenaline, SC/SB/DH/DS and you will have such a wonderful match.
Yeah, it is a bad thing. Plus it is a clear middle finger to the killers.
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Now it wont deplete within the terror radius.
i agree it’s not a big deal. People are just complaining because it is slightly better.
ALSO I really honestly believe that people here are underestimating then value for 115 movement speed..:
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You do know it's not out yet? So way give salt if it's not out yet? STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!!!!!!! This is getting very old just stop with your complaining threads!!!!!!!
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We'll if you guys leave then I have one final word for you guys bye!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least it's one less complaining player gone:)
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You are the one who is complaining. We don't want another M1 killer in game.
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Stop the complaining and they might listen to you guys. This just makes me sick to see all of these complaints:(
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So don't bother with this. You don't need to discuss with our opinions about these changes.
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Also when ever a see a complaint about any thing under the sun I will keep on saying stop over and over and over agian until you guys stop with the complaining threads.
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Nah, im a killer main and despise BT but this really seems like no big deal. When you hit a survivor with BT you’re going to chase or you aren’t. If you chase, nothing changes. One more hit downs them. If you don’t chase, nothing changes for you.
Obviously combined with all the other trash survivors have now like dstrike and MoM etc it’s a problem but that’s a separate issue, not BT.
I wonder how many complaining about this BT “buff” were playing when BT activated for the hooked AND the person unhooking.
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Hm. Legion’s leader first name is Frank. What if we were to switch Frank with Fred..
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Begone, survivor troll.
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To be fair the mend mechanic introduced with legion is the problem.
Instead of making a new mechanic for legion they just changed the borrowed time one to read mend, now any change to that mechanic for legion will also affect BT.
I said when they first brought legion out it should have been a diff mechanic all together as now changing one affects the other.
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BT got buffed and every killer acts like BT changed "what's this BT guess I'll turn around and wait for the timer to run out" I
think I would rather run from death not get moonwalked on nothing has changed unless you lose the survivor then maybe there is a difference but why you be losing them anyways.
I see all the complaints about legion being nerfed but lets be real not saying it was needed to lower legion players till he is fixed because legion is one of the most toxic killers not because of the killer but the methods used, like moonwalking was toxic, why? No counterplay had to run at him to live. Frank's mixtape nothing you can do except run in a straight line to keep waisting time. And then our bugged add-on.
No one wants to heal or save because they don't wanna deal with legion
Sorry legion mains but he needs a full rework
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dont you think you may be a little harsh there?
we have seen many killer buffs in the recent patches, so they do listen to the community, unlike before.
yes, the new changes suck, but they are still only on paper!
you always ask for getting more infos on how they plan to rework stuff, and when you get those, you act like everything is final and the game is ruined. the legion changes are not released yet! nor are the BT and deep wound changes! this is exactly why the devs usually dont say anything about that matter in the first place and let us wait until the actual update drops.
if you want to tell them that they got the wrong idea, do so. but stop exaggerating this much!
just tell them what you disagree with and what you would make different, so they get constructive feedback instead of just critisism.
thanks.
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Harsh? Devs literally showed us a middle finger to whose who paid for this killers.
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you are acting like legion was a good killer to begin with.
we are talking about the 2nd worst killer here. PRE nerf. legion has never been "good" to begin with. he was just the most braindead and unfun killer to play, so they changed him after BOTH SIDES of the community agreed on the fact that he needs to be reworked.
the rest is written in my previous comment.
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Legion imo should be buffed to a level like the spirit. High skill = High reward. And now? Completely survivor sided killer.
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Honestly out of all the Deep Wounds changes the one I'm about to list below is the only one I actually hate because it takes away information from the killer.
- "The Killer does not see the Deep Wound timer progress–only the Deep Wound bar to know that Deep Wound has been applied."
I'm sure an argument can be made on why it's fine but this didn't seem necessary when mending paused progress. This is assuming this will affect BT also. I'm perfectly fine with the rest of the changes for mending. Although the one that pauses mend while in TR may be overkill we'll see though.
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his power literally does not allow that "high skill" nor the "high reward" aspect of your idea though.
they had two options here:
nerf the 2nd weakest killer but therefore make it bearable to play against him, or buff him and make it even worse.
the only way for him to become the way you want him is by completely reworking his power, which is something they dont want to do.
and if i am honest here: yes, legion will stay a bad killer, but at least he wont feel that cheesy and badly designed anymore.
also, lets think of it the other way: what does the rework give us? we can get an extremely easy first hit and then chase them down as a normal 115% mms killer. might work, might not. lets wait and see how the actual changes work out in the PTB and then give constructive feedback.
just stop the unnecessary hate.
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There is a lot of ways to buff them without making them annoying to play against you know?
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examples please.
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The devs tried buffing Legion.
Spoiler alert: It didn't work
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25% debuff speed on gens after getting hitted by Feral Frenzy. Once you are full healed this effect is gone.
Infinite duration of Feral Frenzy with increased movement speed in it = good mobility.
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i bet that would be soooo much more fun to face.
he would be even more frustrating to play against this way, since you would not only not be able to escape him, you are also even slower in your actions. great. the DC rate against legion would go through the roof.
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They would still need to down you with basic attacks. So they wouldn't be frustrated to play against. Also you shouldn't also be injured the whole match and gen rush the killer.
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how is looping an exploit?
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they do not.
they will simply cheese the down by hitting you with their frenzy 5 times in a row, which is something you can not avoid and that is guaranteed to happen, which makes the whole concept of the killer unfun. THIS needs to be adressed by your rework ideas.
also, reducing the repair speed by 25% while injured is BS against a killer who can put you into the deep wound effect with a single, not avoidable hit that can be a chainattack aswell, putting multiple survivors into it at the same time. these survivors would need to mend AND heal before touching a gen until the killer comes around the corner again and applies the same debuff on them again. the games would literally take forever.
your buff suggestion is only in the legions favor you didnt even waste a thought on the survivors that need to face it.
might i remember you of the time when the devs decided to buff legion? they implemented a mechanic that the deep wound timer that gets applied on injured survivors would be reduced by 10 seconds. guess what? that was way too strong and unfun to play against, so it never made it out of the PTB.
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looping it's not an exploit ..lol it's a strategy, like camping, tunneling, etc :)
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If a Legion is stabbing you 4 times with Frenzy just to down you, then 3-4 gens should be done, or else your team sucks.
Second paragraph, I have no opinion on, so gonna ignore it.
The one time they tried to buff Legion they did the one idea that was heavily broken when paired with two purple add-ons. It could have worked decently if Frank's and/or SWS was nerfed as well, but eh.
You could easily just make mending a healing action and implement the change where the DW timer stops while mending, and those two changes alone would make Legion much more able to be played the way he was intended.
Everyone tunnels hard with him because that's all he can do. And this rework doesn't change that.
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